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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What was that? I couldn't hear you over the gnashing of teeth coming from the conspiracy brigade!
    So wait, a bunch of piss ants get busted and take the fall for illegally supplying weapons to an unstable nation, and the top officials involved are magically cleared of all wrongdoings. Where have I heard this before....
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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    What documents did Obama hold back from the congressional hearing? Holder handed over everything and then some. Issa wanted something that didn't exist. Now that Holder has been cleared, we know Issa was just playing politics by trying to drum up a scandal where there was none.
    Documents regarding the operation. Those are the documents Obama gave an executive order not to be released. Since the operation has officially ended in failure, those documents should have been made public... or at least handed over to Congress. They weren't.

    I'm not talking about Issa and what he demanded. All of Congress came with a list of demands that Holder must fulfill before a congressional hearing. As some pointed out, he repeatedly came without preparation, without fulfilling the requests and without handing over several documents by making all sort of BS excuses. He couldn't provide straight answers... his testimony kept changing from hearing to hearing. Isn't he supposed to NOT be a politician but a man in the service of his job. He leads the DOJ... people in the service of the law SHOULD NOT be in the service of politicians. Yet he proves us otherwise.

    Holder is a shady character.
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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Documents regarding the operation. Those are the documents Obama gave an executive order not to be released. Since the operation has officially ended in failure, those documents should have been made public... or at least handed over to Congress. They weren't.

    I'm not talking about Issa and what he demanded. All of Congress came with a list of demands that Holder must fulfill before a congressional hearing. As some pointed out, he repeatedly came without preparation, without fulfilling the requests and without handing over several documents by making all sort of BS excuses. He couldn't provide straight answers... his testimony kept changing from hearing to hearing. Isn't he supposed to NOT be a politician but a man in the service of his job. He leads the DOJ... people in the service of the law SHOULD NOT be in the service of politicians. Yet he proves us otherwise.

    Holder is a shady character.
    What law do you base your opinion on that those documents should have been made public of handed over to the congressional hearing? His testimony didn't change from hearing to hearing. He did everything that was in his power to do to comply with the congressional hearing demands. I don't see where you think Holder wasserving politicians. Do you know who first appointed Eric Holder as the Superior Court in DC. It was President Reagan. Eric Holder has been supported by democrats and republicans, so I don't see your point on him serving politicians.

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    What law do you base your opinion on that those documents should have been made public of handed over to the congressional hearing? His testimony didn't change from hearing to hearing. He did everything that was in his power to do to comply with the congressional hearing demands. I don't see where you think Holder wasserving politicians. Do you know who first appointed Eric Holder as the Superior Court in DC. It was President Reagan. Eric Holder has been supported by democrats and republicans, so I don't see your point on him serving politicians.
    What law? The law that states that the people are in power. Is the US a democracy or not? Do you want your government to do things behind your back or do you want to know what it is doing? Most importantly, I see this case... and I see so much resemblance with cases in Eastern Europe... where the judiciary branch serves political interests (of whoever is in charge) and in which the law is brutally savaged to suit their needs... where there is no accountability.

    His testimony did change. Look at the videos in the eric holder dedicated thread. Or look for videos all over youtube of him giving testimony. or search for articles.

    This guy is bad news...

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    The report on Operation Fast and Furious released today by the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General says a member of the White House National Security staff declined to be interviewed for the inspector general's investigation and that the White House itself did not produce internal documents for the investigation because the White House said it was "beyond the purview" of the inspector general.

    The report said that an official with the White House National Security Staff declined an interview with the inspector general's office about his communications with Wiliam Newell, who the report said was the Special Agent in Charge of ATF’s Phoenix Field Division.

    "We also sought to interview Kevin O’Reilly, an official with the White House National Security Staff, about communications he had in 2010 with Special Agent in Charge William Newell that included information about Operation Fast and Furious," says the IG report. "O’Reilly declined through his personal counsel our request for an interview."

    "We sought to interview O’Reilly in light of e-mail communications he had with Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell in 2010," the IG report said in a footnote.

    "Newell told us that he did not have direct contact with the White House other than through O’Reilly," said the report. "We requested from the White House any communications concerning Operation Fast and Furious during the relevant time period that were sent to or received from (a) certain ATF employees, including Special Agent in Charge Newell, and (b) certain members of the White House National Security Staff, including Kevin O’Reilly. In response to our request, the White House informed us that the only responsive communications it had with the ATF employees were those between Newell and O’Reilly. The White House indicated that it previously produced those communications to Congress in response to a similar request, and the White House provided us with a copy of those materials.

    "The White House did not produce to us any internal White House communications, noting that 'the White House is beyond the purview of the Inspector General’s Office, which has jurisdiction over Department of Justice programs and personnel,'" said the report.

    "The records the White House produced did not contain any communications between Newell and O’Reilly that referred to Operation Fast and Furious by name, and the communications that referred to the 'large OCDETF case'--which was Operation Fast and Furious--did not include any information about the case strategy or the tactics agents were using to conduct the investigation.

    "We were unable to further investigate the communications between Newell and O’Reilly because O’Reilly declined our request for an interview," said the IG report.
    DOJ Fast-and-Furious Report: WH Aide Declined Interview With IG; 'White House Did Not Produce Any Internal White House Communications' | CNSNews.com

    if there's nothing to coverup, why look so much like you're covering up?

    oreilly is nsa

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    What law? The law that states that the people are in power. Is the US a democracy or not? Do you want your government to do things behind your back or do you want to know what it is doing? Most importantly, I see this case... and I see so much resemblance with cases in Eastern Europe... where the judiciary branch serves political interests (of whoever is in charge) and in which the law is brutally savaged to suit their needs... where there is no accountability.

    His testimony did change. Look at the videos in the eric holder dedicated thread. Or look for videos all over youtube of him giving testimony. or search for articles.

    This guy is bad news...
    You will have to be more specific on where Holder's testemony changed.
    There is a lot of information classified top sectret that the govenment doesn't share with the public. I think we all know this. Eric Holder was investigated and was found innocent of the charges the congressional commitee accused him of. This has always been a non issue.

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    So wait, a bunch of piss ants get busted and take the fall for illegally supplying weapons to an unstable nation, and the top officials involved are magically cleared of all wrongdoings. Where have I heard this before....
    Actually, the ATF didn't supply weapons. They just didn't go in an arrest dealers when weapons where being purchased that looked suspicious.

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    You will have to be more specific on where Holder's testemony changed.
    There is a lot of information classified top sectret that the govenment doesn't share with the public. I think we all know this. Eric Holder was investigated and was found innocent of the charges the congressional commitee accused him of. This has always been a non issue.
    GOP Sen. Cornyn Scorches Eric Holder, Tells Him To Resign! - June 12, 2012 - YouTube

    This is just one.

    This is a pretty accurate video that makes a summary of what holder did in regards to Fast and Furious. FF is a public program. Whislt it was running, the documents should be indeed classified because they could compromise the operation... but it is all over now. They should be released to the public because the public needs to know on what it spent its money on.

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    GOP Sen. Cornyn Scorches Eric Holder, Tells Him To Resign! - June 12, 2012 - YouTube

    This is just one.

    This is a pretty accurate video that makes a summary of what holder did in regards to Fast and Furious. FF is a public program. Whislt it was running, the documents should be indeed classified because they could compromise the operation... but it is all over now. They should be released to the public because the public needs to know on what it spent its money on.
    That video showed that Eric Holder was accused of these things, however, Holder was not given a chance to respond. Now that the independent investigation clears Holder of all wrong doing, it is clear that these aligations are wrong as well. I can see many reasons why the documents do not need to be released to the public.

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    Re: ‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Actually, the ATF didn't supply weapons. They just didn't go in an arrest dealers when weapons where being purchased that looked suspicious.
    They "walked" them, meaning they allowed illegal sale to dealers they knew would supply the cartels. They may as well have sold the guns themselves.
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