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    NATO Disasters Stack Up In Afghanistan

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    In a disastrous day for the NATO force in Afghanistan, four American troops were gunned down Sunday by Afghan police, a U.S. airstrike killed eight Afghan women foraging for fuel on a rural hillside, and military officials disclosed that a Taliban strike on a southern base had destroyed more than $150 million worth of planes and equipment in money terms, by far the costliest single insurgent attack in 11 years of warfare.

    The confluence of events underscored some of the conflict's most damaging trends: an unrelenting tide of "insider" attacks, in which Afghan forces turn their weapons on coalition allies; the daily loss of civilian lives to war's ravages; and the continuing ability of insurgent forces to inflict disproportionate havoc on the far more powerful Western military.
    NATO disasters stack up in Afghanistan - latimes.com

    51 nato soldiers killed this year in greens vs blues, at least 44 american

    15% of all coalition casualties caused by our "allies"

    obama's entire exit strategy, if you could actually call it such, relies on the successful afghanization of the war obama escalated with his massive 2009 surge

    the audacious attack on camp bastion, 28,000 strong, in south helmand was supposed to be way beyond the enemy's capacity, yet they were able to breach the compound, maintain fire for hours, kill 2 americans and do 150 million dollars of damage, including the destruction of 6 jets, by far the most successful attack on an allied installation in the entire duration of the war

    general allen, however, assures us that this frightening frequency of green vs blue killings is nothing unusual, mere "stress and personal grievances" and certainly NOT taliban directed

    Insider Attacks Don't Threaten U.S. Strategy, Allen Says - Businessweek

    no wonder the professional satisfaction of our fighters is at an all time low, no wonder they point to head-in-the-sand denial and political correctness inside the pentagon as their greatest grievance

    Internal Army Poll: Only 26% of Officers Say Army Headed in Right Direction--'Political Correctness' Cited | CNSNews.com

    and the drone attacks which killed 8 women this weekend are also said to be the motivation behind the attack in benghazi which killed the ambassador---according to seniors at state, according to libyan security officials, according to the chair of senate armed services after being briefed by the secretary of defense

    Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

    obama's entire foreign policy is in freefall

    worry

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    Re: NATO Disasters Stack Up In Afghanistan

    Is it really all that surprising. Besides the US not have a cohesive plan nor a professional occupation force, Bush further screwed it up by inviting NATO to participate. The Brits and anyone that stood by us and helped us from the beginning absolutely deserve to be involved, the rest, they need to haul their semi-socialist dumb asses back to Europe and stay the hell out of it.
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    this afternoon, cbs:

    The strategy for getting U.S. forces out of Afghanistan depends on training Afghan soldiers and police to protect the country themselves, but on Monday the U.S. military suspended most joint field operations with Afghan forces because so many Americans are being killed by the men they are training.

    Afghan government troops -- our allies -- have turned their guns on NATO forces 36 times this year, killing 51, most of them Americans. That is more attacks than the last two years combined.

    The order effectively suspends "until further notice" most of the operations which U.S. and Afghan troops conduct side by side. At higher headquarters, Afghans and Americans will still work together, but in the field small unit operations putting Afghan soldiers alongside Americans -- the guts of the U.S. strategy to turn the fighting over to Afghans -- will be suspended unless an exception is granted by a commanding general.

    The order was issued after a long weekend in which four American and two British troops were killed by so-called "insider attacks" -- Afghans turning their guns on their supposed allies.

    Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called the surge in insider attacks "a very serious threat to the campaign."
    U.S. military suspends joint patrols with Afghans - CBS News

    very serious threat? where's general allen?

    ah, here he comes:

    U.S. officials say that somewhere between 10 percent and 25 percent of the insider attacks are the work of enemy infiltrators. The rest are the result of personal insults and just plain cultural misunderstandings.
    obama's entire middle policy is in ruins, and now obama's war in afghanistan has its entire "exit strategy" pulled out like a rug

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

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    Re: NATO Disasters Stack Up In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    this afternoon, cbs:



    U.S. military suspends joint patrols with Afghans - CBS News

    very serious threat? where's general allen?

    ah, here he comes:



    obama's entire middle policy is in ruins, and now obama's war in afghanistan has its entire "exit strategy" pulled out like a rug

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?
    I have always thought the Karzai government was a bad deal from the start. Now, after we have told him we are just going to cut and run and leave him hanging, I believe he has been making a lot of under the table deals trying to save his own skin.

    Who ever thought that a democracy run by the locals when they are mostly uninformed, uneducated and illiterate would succeed without longterm intervention was on some very good hallucinogens at the time. Unfortunately, for us and the common person in Afghanistan, nobody in a position to make decisions had a clue of what they were stepping into at the time nor have we changed to someone who has a clue. Even more clueless, IMO.

    I still support that it needed to be done, but man, someone should of had a clue of what to do first.
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    Obama announced that we are leaving, the locals know that means another civil war is coming, and they are hedging their bets. If I were an Afghan with no way to escape the country, I'd keep my head down too.

    This uptick in violence is a direct consequence of announcing a date certain for us to leave, and would not be there if our departure was dependent on ground conditions and the ability of the Afghan government to control the situation.
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    Shouldnt we be upset that the Commander is campaigning rather ensuring the military is running effectively, as well as communicating to the public how the Taliban manage to get into a military camp, kill marines, and destroy helos and aircraft? Yes, I know he gets breifings and gives order while out campaigning, but theres an opportunity cost. He cant do both at once. Since things are going badly in Afghanistan, why doesnt he tell us why and what hes doing about it? Why isnt the media informing us or investigating?

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    Re: NATO Disasters Stack Up In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Shouldnt we be upset that the Commander is campaigning rather ensuring the military is running effectively, as well as communicating to the public how the Taliban manage to get into a military camp, kill marines, and destroy helos and aircraft? Yes, I know he gets breifings and gives order while out campaigning, but theres an opportunity cost. He cant do both at once. Since things are going badly in Afghanistan, why doesnt he tell us why and what hes doing about it? Why isnt the media informing us or investigating?
    He is out campaigning because if he doesn't, he is unemployed come January. Not that I would be against that, but you can understand him not wanting it. Him being out may actually be a good thing, since he is a unmitigated pain in the ass who doesn't know a thing about how to run a military campaign.

    Why don't we see the media informing us or investigating? Duh, you are aware the majority of print and TV media are liberal friendly, don't you? Why in the world would they be bringing up Obama's record on just about anything since it might lead to him becoming unemployed in January and replaced with someone else from the political side they hate?
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    Re: NATO Disasters Stack Up In Afghanistan

    interesting-
    a President who leans into military operations is seen as micromanaging. BushII claimed to always defer to his Generals,(as long as they didn't say 200,000 troops would be needed to occupy Iraq after the fall of Saddam.), but Obama should be directing soldiers at the tactical level?

    This reminds me of Vietnam and President Nixon. The only real issue Nixon faced was how big a fig leaf could Kissinger get in Paris. The US public was sick and tired of a war that could never be won and 'success' was measured in still hanging on to Saigon. IF there ever was a chance for 'victory' in Afghanistan is was lost as BushII took his eye off the ball and dropped it while thrashing around in Iraq.

    Now the course is clear, get us the hell out. Just like Nixon in SE Asia now Obama in SW Asia has few options but to put a brave face on past failure and get us out.

    Nixon wasn't blamed for leaving South Vietnam, Ford not for 'abandoning' it. Obama shouldn't be for getting us out of a mess.

    The Poll taken of Army Officers brings back memories, seems like Officers/NCOs have always thought the Army was going soft, retention was poor, junior leadership not trained properly before promotion, out of touch generals, nothing new.

    The skipped over main reason- Reduction in Forces, RIF, would make many career soldiers a bit down in the mouth, no one enjoys getting a pink slip and anyone who has worked the private sector and had layoffs pending knows how morale goes down- should soldiers be any different?

    I don't see where anyone in the service says political correctness- that was the article's opinion.

    I'd also say only 38% say the Army is heading in the wrong direction. 62% feel it isn't.

    CNS News- 'The Right News. Right Now' might be a tad bias when it comes all things Obama.

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    I have always thought the Karzai government was a bad deal from the start
    Karzai threatens to join Taliban - World - CBC News

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    The ANSF can be cultivated and made into a proficient fighting force given enough time and energy, and the proper circumstances to allow them to incubate without massive Taliban pressure. We forget that 12,000 of them have already died in battle in the fight against the Taliban and its affiliates.

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