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    More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    And America was warned.

    Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.

    Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.

    He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business.

    "The situation is frightening, it scares us," Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.

    Mabrouk said it was not the first time he has warned foreigners about the worsening security situation in the face of the growing presence of armed jihadist groups in the Benghazi area.
    More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments - CNN.com
    So. Americans knew beforehand and did nothing.

    And...afterward, the State Department actually DID something:

    OSAC report from 5 days before the attacks: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012.../osac-threats/

    OSAC report after the attacks: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...cks/osac-gone/

    Obama is using every trick he can come up with...and rightly so...to save his re-election bid. I don't think it's going to work.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And America was warned.



    So. Americans knew beforehand and did nothing.

    And...afterward, the State Department actually DID something:

    OSAC report from 5 days before the attacks: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012.../osac-threats/

    OSAC report after the attacks: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...cks/osac-gone/

    Obama is using every trick he can come up with...and rightly so...to save his re-election bid. I don't think it's going to work.
    While Barrack O'Carter will point his finger at Mitt Romney from the stage in Las Vegas or on The Pimp With A Limp radio show.

    This is the importance this incompetent attaches to the problems in the Middle East. He's not even leading from behind anymore. He's become his own sideshow.

    The only thing he's learned in the last four years is how to lower his voice and put on a scowl when pretending to be serious.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    It is very sad to politicize the murder of an ambassador. To say that a vague warning about security concerns somehow constitutes "knowing" that a mob would attack the consulate and launch a rocket propelled grenade into the compound is ludicrous. If fingers have to be pointed then start pointing them in the right direction; the Libyan security forces for failing in their obligation under international law to protect foreign embassies and consulates.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It is very sad to politicize the murder of an ambassador. To say that a vague warning about security concerns somehow constitutes "knowing" that a mob would attack the consulate and launch a rocket propelled grenade into the compound is ludicrous. If fingers have to be pointed then start pointing them in the right direction; the Libyan security forces for failing in their obligation under international law to protect foreign embassies and consulates.
    Security assets will be degraded if thrre are deep defense cuts. That and current evemts make it our patriotic duty to question the motives of the guy in charge.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It is very sad to politicize the murder of an ambassador. To say that a vague warning about security concerns somehow constitutes "knowing" that a mob would attack the consulate and launch a rocket propelled grenade into the compound is ludicrous. If fingers have to be pointed then start pointing them in the right direction; the Libyan security forces for failing in their obligation under international law to protect foreign embassies and consulates.
    Anything but lay the blame where it belongs...with Obama and the State Department. They both failed.

    Look, if one of your allies warns you that something is going to happen, what do you do? Sit on it? Think about it? Or do you relay the warning? If the Ambassador got the warning, what was he doing in a very lightly defended location? And why did the State Department feel the need to alter their own intelligence reports?

    This whole thing stinks. And Obama and Hillary are doing everything they can to get out from under it.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Security assets will be degraded if thrre are deep defense cuts. That and current evemts make it our patriotic duty to question the motives of the guy in charge.
    That is nonsense. The last time the GAO was actually able to perform an audit of DOD expenditures they found that the military can't even account for 25% of what it spends. If they don't know what they're spending it on then they don't need it and military spending should not be considered a sacred cow while the DOD tosses hundreds of billions of dollars into a black hole. There is no patriotic duty to question the motives of a sitting President in this matter; only a deeply partisan one it would seem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Look, if one of your allies warns you that something is going to happen, what do you do? Sit on it? Think about it? Or do you relay the warning? If the Ambassador got the warning, what was he doing in a very lightly defended location?
    Vague statements from local security officials like 'I have security concerns' is hardly actionable intelligence and it was told directly to the ambassador who obviously chose to remain at the consulate in Benghazi. It is the responsibility of the host country to provide adequate security for embassies and consulates within their territory. It is not the responsibility of the President to violate international law by throwing a bunch of marines around without the permission of the host country and without any idea of what or who that local security official is talking about. We don't even know if the ambassador relayed that message to Washington so it would probably be more fitting to stop using his corpse as a political billy-club and mourn the loss of a man who dedicated his life to serving this country instead.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 09-16-12 at 01:27 PM.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    That is nonsense. The last time the GAO was actually able to perform an audit of DOD expenditures they found that the military can't even account for 25% of what it spends. If they don't know what they're spending it on then they don't need it and military spending should not be considered a sacred cow while the DOD tosses hundreds of billions of dollars into a black hole. There is no patriotic duty to question the motives of a sitting President in this matter; only a deeply partisan one it would seem.



    Vague statements from local security officials like 'I have security concerns' is hardly actionable intelligence and it was told directly to the ambassador who obviously chose to remain at the consulate in Benghazi. It it the responsibility of the host country to provide adequate security for embassies and consulates within their territory. It is not the responsibility of the President to violate international law by throwing a bunch of marines around without the permission of the host country and without any idea of what or who that local security official is talking about. We don't even know if the ambassador relayed that message to Washington.
    See highlighted text.

    Do you have some information that is not in the article I posted? My article didn't say the Ambassador had been warned...in fact it said "American diplomats".

    Anyway, we've seen the quality of the "adequate security" provided by the Libyans. They cut and run.

    Look. We've had a lot of dealings in the Middle East for a long time. Our Ambassador, our State Department...and our President...should be aware of the dangers and aware of proper responses when warnings are given. Responses like: The Ambassador not hanging himself and a few Americans with him out to dry.

    It's pretty obvious that at least Obama and the State Department lack that awareness. We'll never know about the Ambassador.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    How many warnings do you think are issued, between various agencies and organizations a day? Do you have an estimate?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    How many warnings do you think are issued, between various agencies and organizations a day? Do you have an estimate?
    Irrelevant.

    We are talking about a direct warning three days before a direct situation...that the Ambassador just happened to find himself in.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    See highlighted text. Do you have some information that is not in the article I posted? My article didn't say the Ambassador had been warned...in fact it said "American diplomats".
    The information is in the article you posted. "He told the diplomats." Who do you think he was referring to? The answer is obviously the only diplomats we had in Libya; the ambassador and his staff.

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