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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    With all due respect to the Obamites in this thread, you're right, there probably wasn't a warning that said "Be prepared! At xxxx time we think you will be attacked by individuals with guns and RPG's who intend to kill you." Those kind of messages generally don't show up outside of Hollywood.

    However, it should have been pretty doggone clear to anyone with half a brain that after taking out al-Libi there was going to be some payback and that the payback was going to include death and mayhem. Under those circumstances our diplomatic corps folk can do any number of things. They can leave for safer territory. They can ask for more security from the US or they can ask for more security from the host nation. Our FSO's chose #3.

    There are a lot of reasons to choose #3. Among those reasons is to show confidence in the host nation....to make them feel good about themselves and let them know that you feel good about them. Unfortunately, one of the problems with #3 is that quite often the security forces of the host nation are filled with people who don't necessarily have our best interests in mind. Intel services LOVE to go after embassy security because of the potential for tactical "insights".

    Terrorists also have intel services and those operators function pretty much like the state sponsored ones except that in the case of bloodthirsty jihadi's they also usually have designs on blowing stuff up and killing lots of people. Those folks also generally don't give a rats rectum about how good we feel about them and as far as feeling better about themselves.......these are the people that feel better about themselves when they strap a vest full of Semtex and 16 penny nails to themselves and blow themselves up in a "glorious" explosion which takes out dozens of innocent bystanders.


    The whole problem happened because the administration was pushing an agenda in the middle east based on visions of rainbows and dancing teddy bears instead of recognition of a growing movement to unify the entire area into the next caliphate.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    What's your point? What does McCain's thoughts have to do with mine?
    Planning dont take days or weeks. May take months. You can have the tightest security at Afgan bases or elsewhere but can u totally prevent a terrorist strike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Planning dont take days or weeks. May take months. You can have the tightest security at Afgan bases or elsewhere but can u totally prevent a terrorist strike?
    Oh, I'm not saying one can totally prevent a terrorist strike, but if you have credible warning, would you put an Ambassador in the line of fire? Without adequate security?

    Sounds like a dumb move to me.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I'm not saying one can totally prevent a terrorist strike, but if you have credible warning, would you put an Ambassador in the line of fire? Without adequate security?

    Sounds like a dumb move to me.
    Not that there was lack of security. Investigations revealed that there was a security breach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Not that there was lack of security. Investigations revealed that there was a security breach.
    Could you provide a link to these investigations?

    Not that I'm doubting you...I just haven't heard of any such reports.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Could you provide a link to these investigations?

    Not that I'm doubting you...I just haven't heard of any such reports.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Well, that's an interesting article...considering it was written on Friday and cites "American officials", " senior diplomatic sources", " senior officials" and " security sources" without any further identification. In spite of all of those "official" sources, the Obama administration still contends this was not a coordinated attack and was only the result of that video.

    The only problem I have with this article is the contention of a " serious and continuing security breach". There is no real information in the article to support that contention. I guess we'll have to wait for more information about that.

    Now, me personally? I think this article is correct. It supports what I've stated all along.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Well, that's an interesting article...considering it was written on Friday and cites "American officials", " senior diplomatic sources", " senior officials" and " security sources" without any further identification. In spite of all of those "official" sources, the Obama administration still contends this was not a coordinated attack and was only the result of that video.
    This coming from a guy who believes a random blog that could have been written by anyone that marines had no bullets even after the Pentagon said the story was false...

    You truly are becoming the worst hypocrite in this sites history.

    You're so transparent... but please keep going.

    It amuses me.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If anyone had any notion that you had any credibility, then someone might take some notice of your warning.
    They wouldn't, because there's a cacophony of warnings every day, and specifics are needed.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Security assets will be degraded if thrre are deep defense cuts. That and current evemts make it our patriotic duty to question the motives of the guy in charge.
    Wait...aren't the defense cuts the result of a Congressional "compromise" because....well they couldn't really compromise on the debt ceiling deal? Now it's Obama's cuts?

    So Republicans take the US to the brink on the debt ceiling for a silly sequestration deal and now they throw up their hands and bemoan the sequestration? You guys have really gone bonkers.
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