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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Inside or outside, where was the security??? Where were the Marines? This is just another distraction to COA.
    The Marines were inside the compound; where they were supposed to be. No embassy anywhere has ever been staffed to fend off a mob of 400 people which, aside from international law, is why we rely on host countries to provide security for the perimeter of our embassy and consulate compounds. Its not a distraction; its a fact. The Libyan security forces were responsible for protecting the perimeter of the consulate compound and they failed miserably.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The Marines were inside the compound; where they were supposed to be. No embassy anywhere has ever been staffed to fend off an attack force of 400 people which, aside from international law, is why we rely on host countries to provide security for the perimeter of our embassy and consulate compounds. Its not a distraction; its a fact. The Libyan security forces were responsible for protecting the perimeter of the consulate compound and they failed miserably.
    Despite warnings they were not adequately prepared, and that is a fact.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Despite warnings they were not adequately prepared, and that is a fact.
    Adequately prepared for what? There was nothing actionable about the intelligence received by the Obama Administration; only vague whispers that something might happen somewhere in the Middle East. There were no specific warnings concerning the consulate in Benghazi. No embassy is ever prepared to deal with a mob of 400 people and a host nation with security forces that cut and run at the first sign of trouble. If the Libyan security forces had done their duty then the Ambassador would be alive and there wouldn't be a dozen threads packed with cheap shots at the President for an event no one could foresee.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Security assets will be degraded if thrre are deep defense cuts.

    Exactly. We should just close all our embassies if there are cuts to the defense budget.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I'm warning everyone that something might happen in the world tomorrow. If Obama doesn't step up (somehow) and stop it, whatever happens, wherever, will be on him.

    DON'T DROP THE BALL, MR. PRESIDENT!!
    If anyone had any notion that you had any credibility, then someone might take some notice of your warning.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your relying on Libyans to protect American lives?

    Why can't Americans protect their own?
    Contrary to popular belief, the MSGs are NOT there to protect the American employees, but to protect the classified information. Don’t get me wrong, the MSGs will certainly help you if they can but that is not their primary mission and they are not manned for it. And not all embassies have MSGs. Per the Geneva Convnetion, the security of an embassy or consulate is largely in the hands of the host government. Evacuations or draw downs usually occur when the embassy no longer has confidence in the host country’s ability to provide adequate security.

    Second, the number of personnel an embassy or consulate can have is capped by the host country. For every additional MSG you add you would have to eliminate the position of a Foreign Service Officer or other attache, you know, the people who are actually doing the intended work of an embassy or consulate.

    This has very little, if anything at all, to do with the DoD budget.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    It's silly to blame the president. There are scores of people down the line who are directly responsible for security. Furthermore the country concered should have stepped up security ages ago. The government here provides the highest security for american intestests here. We are are prime terrorist target here.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    It's silly to blame the president. There are scores of people down the line who are directly responsible for security. Furthermore the country concered should have stepped up security ages ago. The government here provides the highest security for american intestests here. We are are prime terrorist target here.
    The buck stops at the President...not at one of the scores of underlings. Plus, don't you think you are asking a bit too much of Libya? Heck, they can't provide for their OWN security...how can you expect them to provide for ours? And, obviously, the Ambassador's "highest security for American interests" wasn't quite good enough, don't you think?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The buck stops at the President...not at one of the scores of underlings. Plus, don't you think you are asking a bit too much of Libya? Heck, they can't provide for their OWN security...how can you expect them to provide for ours? And, obviously, the Ambassador's "highest security for American interests" wasn't quite good enough, don't you think?
    Wait a minute!

    John McCain: Libya Attacks On U.S. Officials Were Planned By Terrorists

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Ummm...

    What's your point? What does McCain's thoughts have to do with mine?
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