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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by barbnf View Post
    For anyone to suggest that the Obama Administration knew about the increasing threats and did nothing ... YOU are badly mistaken ... Did you not SEE that the Ambassador died with TWO retired Seals ... ??? ...

    We are everywhere in the world and we can only offer so much protection ...

    For Governor Romney to NOT show solidarity in the face of such violence is sickening ... and NOT worthy of someone who aspires to the White House ...

    The Obama Administration is LEADING "behind the scenes" ... Some of you appear soooo naive ... IF we continue to "lead from the front" ... we will be as DESPISED as we were under the Bush Administration ... Those of us who BELIEVE in Peace ... do not try to make WAR ... IF it can be avoided ...

    If it were up to the "fear-mongerers," we would be at war on multiple fronts ... SAD! ...

    Actually, President Obama has DECIMATED al Qaeda leadership using UNmanned drones to GREAT effect ... I SEE that as the more INTELLIGENT way to wage war against those we can not reason with ... It keeps our BRAVE men and women in uniform SAFE ... I think I prefer the way President Obama operates in the world ... THAT is TRUE leadership ...

    PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES!
    What is sickening is the hypocracy of drones who wouldnt have had a problem jumping all over president Bush for something that happend during the Iraq war but will cry wolf when the shoe is on the other foot. The truth is right there for all of us to see so Obamas & your attempt to cover up just plane nieve & bad policy is not working. I honestly think you Obamabots would excuse this guy for anything & considering the disaster of his presidency so far & the crying & whining everytime someone points out his screwups it makes it even more obvious to the rational thinker.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It is very sad to politicize the murder of an ambassador. To say that a vague warning about security concerns somehow constitutes "knowing" that a mob would attack the consulate and launch a rocket propelled grenade into the compound is ludicrous. If fingers have to be pointed then start pointing them in the right direction; the Libyan security forces for failing in their obligation under international law to protect foreign embassies and consulates.
    The evidence is overwhelming at this point that there was plenty of advanced warning and nothing was done.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, you didn't explain it. Lots of warnings come out of lots of offices every day. Why should this one have been more pressing? Because someone had a bad feeling?

    That's interesting.
    Lets see ......Anniversery of 9-11, North African radical muslim country that just had a civil war & left with lots of radicals still running around with guns. Then you have Libyan security guards (who betray the ambassador) guarding them farmed out by the state dept instead of US marines. Then you somehow think you can marginalize any type of terror warning under these conditions? Your trying to make excuses for your demi-god Obama, its not working & you sound foolish.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Lets see ......Anniversery of 9-11, North African radical muslim country that just had a civil war & left with lots of radicals still running around with guns. Then you have Libyan security guards (who betray the ambassador) guarding them farmed out by the state dept instead of US marines. Then you somehow think you can marginalize any type of terror warning under these conditions? Your trying to make excuses for your demi-god Obama, its not working & you sound foolish.
    These warnings were warnings about security for international business not about specific warnings about the actual compound


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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Lets see ......Anniversery of 9-11, North African radical muslim country that just had a civil war & left with lots of radicals still running around with guns. Then you have Libyan security guards (who betray the ambassador) guarding them farmed out by the state dept instead of US marines. Then you somehow think you can marginalize any type of terror warning under these conditions? Your trying to make excuses for your demi-god Obama, its not working & you sound foolish.
    I don't even care for Obama. I'm trying to explain that there's lots of warnings that go out every day. I'd make the same "excuse" for GWB and 9/11. But you'd probably somehow defend that while attacking this, right?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't even care for Obama. I'm trying to explain that there's lots of warnings that go out every day. I'd make the same "excuse" for GWB and 9/11. But you'd probably somehow defend that while attacking this, right?
    I apoligize for labeling you a Obama drone, I wouldnt like that either if I didnt back him, but I stand by my the rest of my statement. The State dept. had no business outsourcing security to Libyans.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by barbnf View Post
    For anyone to suggest that the Obama Administration knew about the increasing threats and did nothing ... YOU are badly mistaken ... Did you not SEE that the Ambassador died with TWO retired Seals ... ??? ...
    Did you not hear about the "safe house"?

    We are everywhere in the world and we can only offer so much protection ...
    You certainly can't when the marines are instructed to go without bullets in their weapons.

    "For Governor Romney to NOT show solidarity in the face of such violence is sickening ."

    Solidarity with a buffoon? Are you kidding??
    The Obama Administration is LEADING "behind the scenes" ... Some of you appear soooo naive ... IF we continue to "lead from the front" ... we will be as DESPISED as we were under the Bush Administration ... Those of us who BELIEVE in Peace ... do not try to make WAR ... IF it can be avoided ...
    Ah, yes, more "leading from behind".

    Americans are despised now. Has the news not yet reached you? An American ambassador has been murdered on the anniversary of 9/11 and his body dragged through the streets. That is not a symbol of friendship.

    If it were up to the "fear-mongerers," we would be at war on multiple fronts ... SAD! ...
    Fear-mongers go to war??? While the brave one hide under the covers sending out periodic messages that everything is their fault?

    Actually, President Obama has DECIMATED al Qaeda leadership using UNmanned drones to GREAT effect ... I SEE that as the more INTELLIGENT way to wage war against those we can not reason with ... It keeps our BRAVE men and women in uniform SAFE ... I think I prefer the way President Obama operates in the world ... THAT is TRUE leadership ...
    More drones wherever Americans are attacked would bring peace more quickly.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It is very sad to politicize the murder of an ambassador. To say that a vague warning about security concerns somehow constitutes "knowing" that a mob would attack the consulate and launch a rocket propelled grenade into the compound is ludicrous. If fingers have to be pointed then start pointing them in the right direction; the Libyan security forces for failing in their obligation under international law to protect foreign embassies and consulates.
    Does that mean the DEMs will stop blaming GWBush for not grounding all the airplanes in the country when a PDB had the title of "AQ is determined to strike within the US" - you know the same title that had been used for years on some routine intel?

    I'm glad to see that you will now temper your fellow LIBs when they spew that stuff up again - and they will.

    It is unconsciousable to not have embassy/consulates in M.E. hotspots not protected as certain significant dates approach (remember 9/11) - with or without specific warnings. With such a warning it is close to criminal to not respond with at least minimal protection and SOME kind of planning on "what-ifs."

    For the POTUS to just continue his greedy campaign fundraising while all this is going on is irresponsibility writ large - large enough for anyone with eyes to see and brains to process and hearts to protect America. All attributes missing from the DEM masses.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    The evidence is overwhelming at this point that there was plenty of advanced warning and nothing was done.
    Then I suppose you have some source which demonstrates that actionable intelligence was communicated to the ambassador and to the President that the consulate in Benghazi was at risk rather than the mention of vague "security concerns" for international businesses operating in Libya communicated solely to the ambassador and his staff as pointed out in the article? My guess is that you don't and I repeat; it is the legal obligation of host countries to protect the embassies and consulates in their territory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rokkitsci View Post
    Does that mean the DEMs will stop blaming GWBush for not grounding all the airplanes in the country when a PDB had the title of "AQ is determined to strike within the US" - you know the same title that had been used for years on some routine intel?
    Apples and oranges. I don't recall anyone saying that Bush should have grounded all airplanes in the country prior to 9/11 but he was provided with specific and actionable intel and we had an FBI informant living with two of the hijackers in California. That is a far cry from a random local security officer telling an ambassador that he had "security concerns" without any mention of a threat to the consulate or any evidence that those concerns were relayed to Washington.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 09-16-12 at 05:59 PM.

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Then I suppose you have some source which demonstrates that actionable intelligence was communicated to the ambassador and to the President that the consulate in Benghazi was at risk rather than the mention of vague "security concerns" for international businesses operating in Libya communicated solely to the ambassador and his staff as pointed out in the article? My guess is that you don't and I repeat; it is the legal obligation of host countries to protect the embassies and consulates in their territory.
    I most certainly can provide sources

    "According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted."

    Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent
    "Sources close to U.S. President Barack Obama's administration revealed that White House officials apparently received warnings that there were threats made to attack as many as seven U.S. missions in the Middle East, on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, as early as September 4. Sources also revealed that additional warnings were received a few days later, with similar information, but that all of the warnings were largely ignored by the administration. Normally when such warnings are received by the administration, the threat level is raised at U.S. installations around the world. At this point, there is no evidence that the Obama administration communicated the warnings with Consular officials in Libya or Egypt in advance of attacks that took place Monday in Benghazi, Libya and Cairo, Egypt, leaving the U.S. Ambassador to Libya and three other Americans dead, with eight others wounded, "

    Obama administration warned of possible attacks, but failed to take precautions - Tucson Congress | Examiner.com
    Deadly embassy attacks were days in the making

    CAIRO -- Days of planning and online promotion by hard-line Islamist leaders helped whip up the mobs that stormed the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and launched a deadly attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya that killed an ambassador and three others.

    As the U.S. tightened security worldwide at embassies and Libya's president apologized for the attack, details emerged of how the violence began, according to experts who monitor Egyptian media.

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    The protest was planned by Salafists well before news circulated of an objectionable video ridiculing Islam's prophet, Mohammed, said Eric Trager, an expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    The protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo was announced Aug. 30 by Jamaa Islamiya, a State Department-designated terrorist group, to protest the ongoing imprisonment of its spiritual leader, Sheikh Omar abdel Rahman. He is serving a life sentence in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

    When the video started circulating, Nader Bakkar, the spokesman for the Egyptian Salafist Noor party, which holds about 25% of the seats in parliament, called on people to go to the embassy. He also called on non-Islamist soccer hooligans, known as Ultras, to join the protest.

    On Monday, the brother of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Zawahiri, tweeted that people should go to the embassy and "defend the prophet," Trager said.

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    Deadly embassy attacks were days in the making
    Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault
    By Catherine Herridge
    Published September 15, 2012


    While the Obama administration says there was no "actionable intelligence" foreshadowing the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, there were at least four attacks on diplomatic and western targets in Benghazi leading up to the murder of the U.S. ambassador.
    “This (the U.S. Consulate) was a place that was targeted months before with an IED (improvised explosive device)," Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee who has been briefed on the attack and investigation, told Fox News. “It's clearly a target that they wanted to hit and they wanted to cause casualties. ... It's just too many coincidences here”

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    Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault | Fox News
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