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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Irrelevant.

    We are talking about a direct warning three days before a direct situation...that the Ambassador just happened to find himself in.
    Ummm...very relevant. Do you think a lot of warnings occur, or not?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The information is in the article you posted. "He told the diplomats." Who do you think he was referring to? The answer is obviously the only diplomats we had in Libya; the ambassador and his staff.
    Ahhh...

    I see. You equate the staff with the Ambassador. I consider the Ambassador to be one person and each one on his staff to be another person. All of them are diplomats. If the warning was made to an underling, I'm not so sure the Ambassador was ever informed. If he was, then he was an idiot for being in that location.

    Or maybe he DID, in fact, relay the info on up the chain and was told by...Hillary, maybe?...not to worry about it.

    That would really suck, don't you think?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ummm...very relevant. Do you think a lot of warnings occur, or not?
    sigh...

    I've explained why I believe your question to be irrelevant. Now it's your turn to explain why it IS relevant.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    For anyone to suggest that the Obama Administration knew about the increasing threats and did nothing ... YOU are badly mistaken ... Did you not SEE that the Ambassador died with TWO retired Seals ... ??? ...

    We are everywhere in the world and we can only offer so much protection ...

    For Governor Romney to NOT show solidarity in the face of such violence is sickening ... and NOT worthy of someone who aspires to the White House ...

    The Obama Administration is LEADING "behind the scenes" ... Some of you appear soooo naive ... IF we continue to "lead from the front" ... we will be as DESPISED as we were under the Bush Administration ... Those of us who BELIEVE in Peace ... do not try to make WAR ... IF it can be avoided ...

    If it were up to the "fear-mongerers," we would be at war on multiple fronts ... SAD! ...

    Actually, President Obama has DECIMATED al Qaeda leadership using UNmanned drones to GREAT effect ... I SEE that as the more INTELLIGENT way to wage war against those we can not reason with ... It keeps our BRAVE men and women in uniform SAFE ... I think I prefer the way President Obama operates in the world ... THAT is TRUE leadership ...

    PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES!

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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by barbnf View Post
    For anyone to suggest that the Obama Administration knew about the increasing threats and did nothing ... YOU are badly mistaken ... Did you not SEE that the Ambassador died with TWO retired Seals ... ??? ...

    We are everywhere in the world and we can only offer so much protection ...

    For Governor Romney to NOT show solidarity in the face of such violence is sickening ... and NOT worthy of someone who aspires to the White House ...

    The Obama Administration is LEADING "behind the scenes" ... Some of you appear soooo naive ... IF we continue to "lead from the front" ... we will be as DESPISED as we were under the Bush Administration ... Those of us who BELIEVE in Peace ... do not try to make WAR ... IF it can be avoided ...

    If it were up to the "fear-mongerers," we would be at war on multiple fronts ... SAD! ...

    Actually, President Obama has DECIMATED al Qaeda leadership using UNmanned drones to GREAT effect ... I SEE that as the more INTELLIGENT way to wage war against those we can not reason with ... It keeps our BRAVE men and women in uniform SAFE ... I think I prefer the way President Obama operates in the world ... THAT is TRUE leadership ...

    PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES!
    Leading from behind the scenes means beefing up security in areas where violence and unrest are prevalent, especially during the anniversary of the most successful and devastating terrorist attack every committed on American soil. Security was not a priority in Libya or Egypt leading up the anniversary of 9/11, and American citizens died as a result.

    In addition to that, several source are reporting that that the Libya attacks were planned, and that intelligence existed prior to the deaths.

    Assuming the attacks WERE planned, it shows a clear and disturbing failure in US intelligence and security planning.
    Assuming intelligence DID exist, is shows a clear and disturbing failure in US security planning.

    Either way, the administration failed the ambassador and his staff, and they died as a result.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by barbnf View Post
    For anyone to suggest that the Obama Administration knew about the increasing threats and did nothing ... YOU are badly mistaken ... Did you not SEE that the Ambassador died with TWO retired Seals ... ??? ...

    We are everywhere in the world and we can only offer so much protection ...

    For Governor Romney to NOT show solidarity in the face of such violence is sickening ... and NOT worthy of someone who aspires to the White House ...

    The Obama Administration is LEADING "behind the scenes" ... Some of you appear soooo naive ... IF we continue to "lead from the front" ... we will be as DESPISED as we were under the Bush Administration ... Those of us who BELIEVE in Peace ... do not try to make WAR ... IF it can be avoided ...

    If it were up to the "fear-mongerers," we would be at war on multiple fronts ... SAD! ...

    Actually, President Obama has DECIMATED al Qaeda leadership using UNmanned drones to GREAT effect ... I SEE that as the more INTELLIGENT way to wage war against those we can not reason with ... It keeps our BRAVE men and women in uniform SAFE ... I think I prefer the way President Obama operates in the world ... THAT is TRUE leadership ...

    PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES!
    Do you consider two retired SEALs to be adequate protection? I don't. I do respect them and their abilities, but they are not gods of war. They are men. No, I consider a platoon of Marines to be adequate protection for an Ambassador in a volatile area. Better protection would have been the Ambassador not being at that location in the first place. Especially with a direct warning.

    Now, the issue isn't Romney here...regardless your attempt to deflect. It's not even about Obama "leading from behind" or his actions in regard to Al Qaeda. It's about the failure to deal with a specific situation. A situation that got Americans killed.

    As President, the buck stops at Obama.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    sigh...

    I've explained why I believe your question to be irrelevant. Now it's your turn to explain why it IS relevant.
    No, you didn't explain it. Lots of warnings come out of lots of offices every day. Why should this one have been more pressing? Because someone had a bad feeling?

    That's interesting.
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, you didn't explain it. Lots of warnings come out of lots of offices every day. Why should this one have been more pressing? Because someone had a bad feeling?

    That's interesting.
    This wasn't just some run-of-the-mill warning. Did you read the quote from the Libyan?

    As I said, "We are talking about a direct warning three days before a direct situation...that the Ambassador just happened to find himself in."

    Now. Tell me why your question is relevant, again?
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    Re: More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    This wasn't just some run-of-the-mill warning. Did you read the quote from the Libyan?

    As I said, "We are talking about a direct warning three days before a direct situation...that the Ambassador just happened to find himself in."

    Now. Tell me why your question is relevant, again?
    Was it? What was the warning, again? Please repeat it.
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