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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    I just love how we now don't have the right to offend people if they are going to go insane over it. How very wonderful.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    What does that mean?

    Wrong again propaganda poster. I love how these posters are always wrong.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is a tough call. If he violated his probation, that's unrelated to the content of the film, and it does need to be addressed. But yeah, it certainly does look very much like he's being targeted because of it.

    Now, if this is used in some kind of attempt to assuage the riots, then that's a very, very big problem.
    I felt the same with I did about Julian Assange or Al Capone. No matter what, if you violate the law, you violate the law. No sympathies if your cause makes you a target.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It would appear that he's violated the terms of his parole. What would you have the authorities do? Ignore that because he's been inciting Muslims? Wouldn't that be tantamount to giving official approval of his behaviour?
    Interesting terms of a parole which just happens to violate the first amendment.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I just love how we now don't have the right to offend people if they are going to go insane over it. How very wonderful.
    I just love how a convicted drug dealer and fraudster becomes the darling of the right and a hero of western civilisation simply by insulting Moslems. H.I.Larious!
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    They ignored him for six months. Doesn't sound like he was on anyone's radar until Obama needed a scapegoat.

    He found one.
    Oh please. He violated terms of parole. This is the same garbage Lefties brought up about Wikileaks. That was atrociously obnoxious as well. Let's not defend unlawful behavior simply because it coincides with our political inclinations.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If a person purposefully or knowingly commits an act or engages in conduct that urges others to riot, that is incitement. I don't think the person who did this did that. However, I do think it was a little close to that. I think what the guy did should be protected speech. My point was that what he did was getting a little close to not being protected speech.
    After a certain point, you have to come to the troubling question as to when one's outrage and societal outburst is not dependent upon the taunting of an other individual, especially one so far away and so isolated.

    To me, the video and the filmmaker does not incite riot so much as give desperate people an excuse to cause mayhem and destruction. Otherwise, I would be granted authority to cause all sorts of mayhem and destruction from intentionally offensive media directed toward my own sensibilities (and trust me, there are a great many which offend me), and those who make that media would be held in the court of public opinion culpable toward my actions. Yet, in reality, you would know that is not so, that I, and many others like me, would have more control, or responsibility over our actions. We would likewise not be granted public sympathy, not because it is not wrong to offend people like me, but rather because that is in no way a justifiable or an expected form of protest.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I just love how a convicted drug dealer and fraudster becomes the darling of the right and a hero of western civilisation simply by insulting Moslems. H.I.Larious!
    He has a right to speak his mind and his history doesn't change that.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He has a right to speak his mind and his history doesn't change that.
    Not with certain tools (eg. a computer) under agreement of his parole. Remember Kevin Mitnick?
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    After a certain point, you have to come to the troubling question as to when one's outrage and societal outburst is not dependent upon the taunting of an other individual, especially one so far away and so isolated.

    To me, the video and the filmmaker does not incite riot so much as give desperate people an excuse to cause mayhem and destruction. Otherwise, I would be granted authority to cause all sorts of mayhem and destruction from intentionally offensive media directed toward my own sensibilities (and trust me, there are a great many which offend me), and those who make that media would be held in the court of public opinion culpable toward my actions. Yet, in reality, you would know that is not so, that I, and many others like me, would have more control, or responsibility over our actions. We would likewise not be granted public sympathy, not because it is not wrong to offend people like me, but rather because that is in no way a justifiable or an expected form of protest.
    This 100%! Especially the bit I've bolded. Very well put, Fiddy.

    I think there have to be limits on free speech, and this from an anarchist, that relate to incitement to violence, so when a Muslim cleric calls for blasphemers to be beheaded, he's arrested. When Misterveritis calls for Mecca to be bombed, he's arrested. I don't think this Nakoula Nakoula guy should be arrested for his film, although it appears he's been arrested for other offences. That's pretty funny as, if you're going to thrust yourself into the limelight by making an explosively offensive movie, you'd think you'd make sure you weren't in breach of your parole conditions first.

    I'd also defend the right of everyone to be offensive. Here are two cases in the UK where free speech about homosexuality has been tested. In this one 3 convictions took place for inciting violence against gays. In this one the preacher was aquitted because, although what he said might be offensive to many, he did not incite violence.

    More paranoid Muslims might say, "Well, the only real difference was that one was Christian, hence protected by British society, and the other Moslem, therefore convicted and gaoled." That would indeed be paranoia as the difference is clear and has nothing to do with the merits of either faith. This guy, for example, I would like to see prosecuted, and I think he would be if he were in the UK and not the US.
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