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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is a tough call. If he violated his probation, that's unrelated to the content of the film, and it does need to be addressed. But yeah, it certainly does look very much like he's being targeted because of it.

    Now, if this is used in some kind of attempt to assuage the riots, then that's a very, very big problem.
    Do you know if there has been any word since they picked him up? I checked to see if any politicians had filed bills over Freedom of Speech. So far the only thing I am coming up with is on Sept 7th some Demos filed a bill over Campaign Financing which falls under that Jurisdiction, and the Freedom of Speech Laws.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Actually I was referring to his implicit approval of their use of a "propaganda tool".

    Furthermore, in a previous post he cited the Obama administration's contention that the violence was due to the movie...and then he says the movie wasn't the reason for the violence...but was only a useful propaganda tool.

    As far as the rest of your post...well, you go ahead and believe the smoke and mirrors Obama has thown up. I prefer to look at his record of finding someone...anyone...to take the blame he deserves.
    The "Smoke and mirrors" are the limit and powers of the Constitutions, namely the differences between the judiciary and executive branch. If you're going to contend that Obama is working behind the scenes of the judiciary to manipulate or direct their actions, you've just entered the realm of conspiracy theories and I'm afraid I'm going to need some evidence.

    Also the film can be both the cause of the violence and a propaganda tool, one can say it caused the violence by being such a useful propaganda tool. I'm not arguing that in this post, I'm just showing its not a contradiction to say both.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The "Smoke and mirrors" are the limit and powers of the Constitutions, namely the differences between the judiciary and executive branch. If you're going to contend that Obama is working behind the scenes of the judiciary to manipulate or direct their actions, you've just entered the realm of conspiracy theories and I'm afraid I'm going to need some evidence.

    Also the film can be both the cause of the violence and a propaganda tool, one can say it caused the violence by being such a useful propaganda tool. I'm not arguing that in this post, I'm just showing its not a contradiction to say both.
    Both your understanding of the judiciary system and your logic are flawed.

    The court won't issue orders unless there is action brought before it. In this case that action is initiated by Obama...through the Justice Department. It's all on him.

    And in your reasoning behind the violence the tool didn't cause the violence...rather the motives behind the use of the tool.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Both your understanding of the judiciary system and your logic are flawed.

    The court won't issue orders unless there is action brought before it. In this case that action is initiated by Obama...through the Justice Department. It's all on him.

    And in your reasoning behind the violence the tool didn't cause the violence...rather the motives behind the use of the tool.
    Prove it.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Despite the right's whining that this is some sort of attack on free speech, this is saving his life. He will be put into a segregated population while in prison and no one but guards will be able to get to him. Right now it is the safest place for him and the people who were trying to protect him. It also should be noted, this is a convicted felon, and no they do not have the rights of free people. This is not a regular citizen who used their rights. this is a person who has been stripped of his rights because he was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of a crime. Yes, we do strip those people of their rights, and yes they do have many of the freedoms you and i have restricted when they are out on parole. Comparing him to a frree US citizen with no convictions would be completely wrong as it is an entirely different argyument on whether or not the probation and parole departments can restrict the freedoms of people who fall under their authority.

    I have a feeling despite the removal of his freedoms this guy is probably happy to be going back to prison. Considering he was pretty much a prisoner in his home anyway, it is probably a great idea to go to jail for a bit, let things cool off, and try for a discrete release and possibly going into hiding with the government's assistance and permission later. Given that the terms of his early release prohibit him from assuming another identity it would be impossible for him to go into hiding without violating the terms of his release, which would add more time to his original sentence anyway.

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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Despite the right's whining that this is some sort of attack on free speech, this is saving his life. He will be put into a segregated population while in prison and no one but guards will be able to get to him. Right now it is the safest place for him and the people who were trying to protect him. It also should be noted, this is a convicted felon, and no they do not have the rights of free people. This is not a regular citizen who used their rights. this is a person who has been stripped of his rights because he was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of a crime. Yes, we do strip those people of their rights, and yes they do have many of the freedoms you and i have restricted when they are out on parole. Comparing him to a frree US citizen with no convictions would be completely wrong as it is an entirely different argyument on whether or not the probation and parole departments can restrict the freedoms of people who fall under their authority.

    I have a feeling despite the removal of his freedoms this guy is probably happy to be going back to prison. Considering he was pretty much a prisoner in his home anyway, it is probably a great idea to go to jail for a bit, let things cool off, and try for a discrete release and possibly going into hiding with the government's assistance and permission later. Given that the terms of his early release prohibit him from assuming another identity it would be impossible for him to go into hiding without violating the terms of his release, which would add more time to his original sentence anyway.
    When you try to justify abridging a person's rights because:

    1. He's a convicted felon therefore he has no rights. (a very disturbing concept in and of itself)
    2. We are doing it for his own good.

    You have diminished the rights of everyone.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    He had every right to make the film he did.
    He's scum for trying to trick the people involved and lying about it etc.
    If he had just made it and was candid about it, he wouldn't be scum. He'd be another confrontational contrarian tweaking people's noses. Tweaking noses and pulling beards is a fine, honorable and necessary tradition which is a just demesne of assholes--it provides them with a socially useful function.

    How much of a fool and someone else's tool do you have to be to let the people who made that film have that kind of an influence on your actions?[/B][/INDENT]


    Personally, I think that there need to be more of these ultra-stupid, ultra-crude, propaganda pieces made. Keep them coming until indignation fatigue sets in for all the morons who get murderous over it.
    Disagree with this. That's like asking for double-helpings of Jersey Shore.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    When you try to justify abridging a person's rights because:

    1. He's a convicted felon therefore he has no rights. (a very disturbing concept in and of itself)
    2. We are doing it for his own good.

    You have diminished the rights of everyone.
    It would appear that he's violated the terms of his parole. What would you have the authorities do? Ignore that because he's been inciting Muslims? Wouldn't that be tantamount to giving official approval of his behaviour?
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It would appear that he's violated the terms of his parole. What would you have the authorities do? Ignore that because he's been inciting Muslims? Wouldn't that be tantamount to giving official approval of his behaviour?
    They ignored him for six months. Doesn't sound like he was on anyone's radar until Obama needed a scapegoat.

    He found one.
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    Re: Alleged "Innocence of Muslims Flim Director Taken in for Questioning.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    They ignored him for six months. Doesn't sound like he was on anyone's radar until Obama needed a scapegoat.

    He found one.
    He's only a scapegoat if he's innocent of what he's been detained for.
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