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Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

apdst said:
The only way to lose a war, is by the military forces fighting the war. Our troops did a fantastic job of defeating an enemy that the defeatests said couldn't be defeated.
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I would not say that's the ONLY way. If a campaign looses support from back home, their is the distinct possibility that Troops will be pulled out prior to any kind of victory.

Paul
 
Grant said:
Really? Because they said so? In fact they knew about this long before it happened. Now they are going to bring themselves to justice?



Sure. Obama will lead fro his behind and the billions in aid will continue.


If the US were a real threat to world peace there would be world peace. But it is no threat to anyone because they would rather be liked than respected. So now they have neither.


"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions," the statement read in part. It went on to say that the U.S. "firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."As Americans they should be defending free speech, not condemning it. And of course Embassies do not put forth statements like these without the knowledge of the Sec. of State or the President.
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I don't see an apology here. I see the statement as being one that is diplomatic and used to stop violence. We, as a nation, should condem efforst to offend believer of all religions. That is not an apology. That is a diplomatic stance.
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gunner said:
I would not say that's the ONLY way. If a campaign looses support from back home, their is the distinct possibility that Troops will be pulled out prior to any kind of victory.

Paul
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Hence, the military didn't defeat the enemy. Thank you for graspng my point.
 
Grant said:
The only US Ally in the Middle East is Israel. And the US President won't even meet with their leader.

BHO has gone to too many fund raisings and missed far too many Intelligence meetings to be of much use anymore.
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You are every ignorant if you assume our only allies are Israel. Obama is doing a good job, and he doesn't miss briefings. He may not always have meeting with his advisors, but he gets briefed every morning.
 
Hairytic said:
No, I never said the makers of the video should be locked up.
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Did they not "incite" these riots? You said they did:

Hairytic said:
It is not appeasing when you are being diplomatic.
Freedom of speech has limits. When speech incites riots, it is against the law. The supreme court has ruled on this limitation to freedom of speech many times in our history.
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And thus:

Hairytic said:
I am saying, who ever incited riots should be locked up. The film in question was manipulated. A rumor circulated that the film was a major Hollywood production and would influence Americans to be against Islam. Clearly, this is an intentional effort of the part of someone to create tensions in the Middle East.
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Hairytic said:
Grant said:
I don't see an apology here. I see the statement as being one that is diplomatic and used to stop violence. We, as a nation, should condem efforst to offend believer of all religions. That is not an apology. That is a diplomatic stance.
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That's a full blown apology. :rofl
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apdst said:
The only way to lose a war, is by the military forces fighting the war. Our troops did a fantastic job of defeating an enemy that the defeatests said couldn't be defeated.
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How did you get from the above too this?

apdst said:
Hence, the military didn't defeat the enemy. Thank you for graspng my point.
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I'm saying the lack of public support can impact dramatically on a Military capacity to defeat an enemy.

Paul
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060913097 said:
Bush responded. Obama?
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Let's review the responding...


Bush after 9/11... nevermind attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 with regards to Iraq but how about Osama bin Laden?


Bush on 09/17/2001... just 6 days after the 9/11 attacks:


The President: I want him held --I want justice. There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ''Wanted: Dead or Alive."

The reporter tried to get Mr. Bush to elaborate – as recorded by the official White House transcript:

Q: Are you saying you want him dead or alive, sir? Can I interpret …

The President: I just remember -- all I'm doing is remembering -- when I was a kid, I remember that they used to put out there in the Old West, a wanted poster. It said, ''Wanted: Dead or Alive.'' All I want and America wants him brought to justice. That's what we want.
linkypoo...​


Bush on 03/13/2002


Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.

So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.
linkypoo...​


It took your hero Bush a whole 6 months to quit and hoist up the don't-give-a-**** surrender-monkey flag with regards to finding bin Laden "dead or alive."


As far as Obama's foreign policy... well, aside from actually catching the criminal Bush didn't give a damn about any more, there is also all the other facts you could read about:


Obama’s 262 Drone Strikes in Pakistan

Since Obama took office, media outlets have reported more than 300 drone strikes in Pakistan targeting al-Qaeda or the Taliban, outnumbering the Bush administration’s drone strikes five to one.​


You can reminisce and fantasize with hearts in your eyes about the grandness of the Bush foreign policy all you want but when you do, you seem to be living in the land of lies that had you buy into all sorts of foreign policy hubris and bluster with no actual foreign policy content.
 
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jamesrage said:
This is just a bunch of terrorists and other Islamofascists just using what they can as an excuse to protest and cause violence. This has nothing to do with Obama and who ever made the video is not at fault.
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Yea, Al Qaeda should give those filmakers a medal for their support. They couldn't have been more helpful to the radical muslim cause.
 
gunner said:
How did you get from the above too this?



I'm saying the lack of public support can impact dramatically on a Military capacity to defeat an enemy.

Paul
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However, a lack of support doesn't define defeat on the battlefield.
 
iguanaman said:
Yea, Al Qaeda should give those filmakers a medal for their support. They couldn't have been more helpful to the radical muslim cause.
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AQ was recruiting people long before this movie came out.

Newsflash: trying to make friends with the bad guys isn't going to make them like us.
 
apdst said:
Because the larger number only disagrees with the methods, but not the motivation.
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I'm not sure they disagree with the methods either. These methods have been hugely successful, as we can see.

Americans are once again blaming themselves, investigating each other, promising never to do it again, and so on.

For the world's only Superpower to behave in this sniveling fashion against a bunch of third world religious fanatics is not a good thing for anyone.
 
apdst said:
However, a lack of support doesn't define defeat on the battlefield.
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That depends on which 'Battlefield' we are discussing?

Paul
 
Hairytic said:
Grant said:
I don't see an apology here. I see the statement as being one that is diplomatic and used to stop violence. We, as a nation, should condem efforst to offend believer of all religions. That is not an apology. That is a diplomatic stance.
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It's diplomatic and used to stop violence?

And how did that work out???

It seems that one persons "diplomatic stance" is another's sign of appeasement.

The murderers and rioters obviously thought so.
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Grant said:
I do research.
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And you're privy to every intelligence meeting? every Telephone conversation? (I thought you worked in Tourism?)

Paul
 
The attitude that I read over and over and over here is the personification of the UGLY AMERICAN. The idea that I can do any damn thing I want to do because I simply can and get away with it. Its legal here so i will do it. And damn the consequences and damn anybody who gets in the way and damn anybody who does not like it.

I would have hoped that Viet Nam cured all that sort of jingoistic hubris - and perhaps it did - for those who were alive and learned. Apparently some have to learn not to stick wires in electric sockets for themselves.
 
Hairytic said:
You are every ignorant if you assume our only allies are Israel. Obama is doing a good job, and he doesn't miss briefings. He may not always have meeting with his advisors, but he gets briefed every morning.
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You probably meant to say he gets his briefs on every morning. The rest is about the mirror, fund raising, golf and which celebrities he might get to meet.

Who are the American allies in the Middle East and how much are you paying them?
 
apdst said:
However, a lack of support doesn't define defeat on the battlefield.
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And its the leftists who will always seek out that defeat, no matter what the consequences. Then after they get their way it's all about America having failed.
 
I'll take Ugly American over Ugly Muslim every day, twice on Sundays. You know, the sort we're seeing now. That believes ANY level of violence is not only justified, but required because some fellow who doesn't believe in their religion said bad things about it in a movie or book.
 
gunner said:
And you're privy to every intelligence meeting? every Telephone conversation? (I thought you worked in Tourism?)

Paul
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There is such a thing as the Government Accountability Institute and they keep track of these things.

Try doing some research yourself rather than depending on others. You'll be far better informed if you do.
 
haymarket said:
The attitude that I read over and over and over here is the personification of the UGLY AMERICAN. The idea that I can do any damn thing I want to do because I simply can and get away with it. Its legal here so i will do it. And damn the consequences and damn anybody who gets in the way and damn anybody who does not like it.

I would have hoped that Viet Nam cured all that sort of jingoistic hubris - and perhaps it did - for those who were alive and learned. Apparently some have to learn not to stick wires in electric sockets for themselves.
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Wow! Vietnam again?

Those old lefties are still around it seems.
 
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