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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Call it what you will,I would rather keep my morality intact than become the very thing you wish to kill.
    Okay. So you have...nothing.

    I was just wondering why some people will commit suicide and insist that others do as well. You prefer to be morally dead. Awesome. I prefer to live.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Iraq was going fine until the surrender monkey came into power.
    And the one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama had no intentions of winning in Afghanistan. Ask someone about the rules of engagement.
    Who was more responsible for 9/11, Iraq or Afghanistan?

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That really doesn't seem to be the case.

    At least, no serious research indicates such.
    Then you had better do more research. Yours is sorely lacking.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Thanks for going. Now wouldn't it have been better if you had been allowed to win?

    It is a serious answer to a serious problem. Why swat the flies when you can destroy the s*it pile they breed in?
    Because that doesn't solve the issue. Killing every Muslim will make things harder on the US vis-a-vis the rest of the world. That's just the fact.

    The issue isn't Muslims or even Islamic extremism. The issue, for the US, is how to make things easier/more profitable for the US. That's all. That's the bottom line.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Then you had better do more research. Yours is sorely lacking.
    I have a Master's in IR. What research do you suggest?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, and like OWO said above, we need REALISTIC solutions to the problems we face. Going balls to the wall just because you're scared of an Islamic takeover is NOT an intelligent move IMO.
    LOL. I am not afraid of them. We can defeat them. I am afraid of the likes of you. You will defeat us.

    We could destroy the stone at the center of the circle with one strike. It could be all over by this time tomorrow night. And that would be a game changer. They have declared war on us. this would be our declaration of war against them.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    To defeat the Jihadists we must convince them that we are utterly implacable and WILL do anything to defeat them. The object is NOT to convice the true believer of jihaid but to convice those the true believer depends on. You go after what supports them. Ruthlessly. At the same time those who do not support them are left alone. You induce fear into their supporters by making examples of SOME of them, NOT ALL. Fear is your ally and will help induce victory. Example would be this, say you find that Jihadists have been using a Mosque to hide weapons and use it as a base to conduct opperations. You then select the day that the mosque has the most visitors and destroy it utterly with all its visitors and without warning. You then destroy a randomly seclected number of mosques either at the same time or over a relitively short period of time in the same manner. If they use a school with young children you would do the same thing and attempt to make sure it was published far and wide. You not attempt at all to diminish collateral damage, I would in fact myself consider maximizing collateral damage. Imeadiatley after you destroy those mosque, schools, whatever, you announce that you will continue to destroy them without notice if you find they are being used for military purposes again. You do this sequence several times with other supossedly "offlimit" buildings structures places ect. you do this with a frequency that keeps pressure and minimises your resource expenditure. The idea is to make being around the Jihadists a death sentance for ANYBODY innocent or not. You make the people around your Jihadists aware that you are willing to make THEM extinct if they continue working with or for that matter tolerate the presence of Jihadists. This playes with their mind on several levels. It forces them to consider themselves and their families. It puts pressure on them to not assist the Jihadists for fear of harm or death. It brings a countervailing religous pressure becuase they begin to question their coarse and their leadership. You must bring fear into the equasion. They do not fear us now. The Russians could have won Afaganistan if they wanted to. They lost because they didnt have the will to do what was nessesary. It is a matter of will, for both sides.
    Are you advocating the purposeful killing of innocent civilians?

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay. So you have...nothing.

    I was just wondering why some people will commit suicide and insist that others do as well. You prefer to be morally dead. Awesome. I prefer to live.
    No you prefer to slaughter people into submission,something that will only play into the fanatics hands.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You are both right. You have to be brutal and compasionate at the same time. That is very hard to do. It will not take the resoarces Misterverritis thinks, nor is giving up their religous beliefs nessecarry for their eventual defeat. All war is won and lost in the mind. We faced this before with the Japanese, and their bushido warrior code of ethics. They had to face extinction to be defeated, but they WERE defeated and now their are among our greatest allies. To defeat the Jihadists we must convince them that we are utterly implacable and WILL do anything to defeat them. The object is NOT to convice the true believer of jihaid but to convice those the true believer depends on. You go after what supports them. Ruthlessly. At the same time those who do not support them are left alone. You induce fear into their supporters by making examples of SOME of them, NOT ALL. Fear is your ally and will help induce victory. Example would be this, say you find that Jihadists have been using a Mosque to hide weapons and use it as a base to conduct opperations. You then select the day that the mosque has the most visitors and destroy it utterly with all its visitors and without warning. You then destroy a randomly seclected number of mosques either at the same time or over a relitively short period of time in the same manner. If they use a school with young children you would do the same thing and attempt to make sure it was published far and wide. You not attempt at all to diminish collateral damage, I would in fact myself consider maximizing collateral damage. Imeadiatley after you destroy those mosque, schools, whatever, you announce that you will continue to destroy them without notice if you find they are being used for military purposes again. You do this sequence several times with other supossedly "offlimit" buildings structures places ect. you do this with a frequency that keeps pressure and minimises your resource expenditure. The idea is to make being around the Jihadists a death sentance for ANYBODY innocent or not. You make the people around your Jihadists aware that you are willing to make THEM extinct if they continue working with or for that matter tolerate the presence of Jihadists. This playes with their mind on several levels. It forces them to consider themselves and their families. It puts pressure on them to not assist the Jihadists for fear of harm or death. It brings a countervailing religous pressure becuase they begin to question their coarse and their leadership. You must bring fear into the equasion. They do not fear us now. The Russians could have won Afaganistan if they wanted to. They lost because they didnt have the will to do what was nessesary. It is a matter of will, for both sides.
    The Art of War?

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are aware that they blow up each other and mosques (while people are inside them) quite often, right? I don't think that is any kind of solution whatsoever.
    Very aware. Hence my belief that their political-religious beliefs belong in the sewer.
    We need to be deliberate, systematic, and methodical. We have time. What else is going on?

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