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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not if there had been a forceful and swift response to the Libyan and Egyptian attacks, instead of thumb-sucking and apology.

    When you kill our people, you need to be killed back, and it needs to be made clear that whoever else decides to try will meet with the same fate. We have quite a few people in uniform whose job it is to do that.
    If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life and the US would have no possible way to protect most of them in time. Not to mention It would be disastrous for American interests in the region and therefor it is simply never going to happen, at least not when there's a sane leader in charge.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life and the US would have no possible way to protect most of them in time. Not to mention It would be disastrous for American interests in the region and therefor it is simply never going to happen, at least not when there's a sane leader in charge.

    So you think its not disastrous for American interests in the region now?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    What do you suggest Obama do? dictators or not these protests would have still happened anyway and there's absolutely nothing the United States could possibly do to stop them.

    They can stop the billion of dollars pouring in in those countries to begin with.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life
    Oh, well, if that's going to be the overriding concern in making these decisions, then we might as well just withdraw from the world and go home, because we're way too timid to be in it.

    They've already killed our people. They're already looking to kill more. And it is ALREADY disastrous for American interests in the region.

    A "sane" leader would recognize this.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And they're going to get MORE apology and MORE retreat.
    Clinton demands Arab Spring nations protect embassies, halt violence - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- As anti-American furor raged in the home of the Arab Spring, the top U.S. diplomat on Friday sternly warned countries where the unrest has been most pronounced: Stop the violence and seek justice against those attacking diplomatic missions, or else the United States will.
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    Reuters) - President Barack Obama vowed on Wednesday to "bring to justice" the Islamist gunmen responsible for a ferocious assault that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans - an attack that may have been organized in advance.
    U.S. Marines deployed amid Muhammad film protests - World - CBC News

    An elite team of Marines have arrived in Yemen's capital as violent protests rage at the U.S. Embassy over the depiction of the Prophet Muhammad in an American-made film.
    Marine unit en route to Sudan to secure US Embassy | Fox News

    A U.S. official says an elite Marine rapid response team is headed to Sudan in the wake of violence and protests against the embassy in Khartoum.

    The deployment comes as Sudanese police opened fire on protesters trying to climb the walls of the U.S. Embassy.

    Your version of events don't add up with the reality.

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    Oddly enough, they don't actually quote Clinton's statement in that regard. What they DO quote is the mush they've been peddling for days:

    "The people of Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Tunisia did not trade the tyranny of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob," she said Friday during a ceremony in which the bodies of the four killed in Benghazi returned to the United States.
    "Reasonable people and responsible leaders in these countries need to do everything they can to restore security and hold accountable those behind these violent acts. And we will ... keep taking steps to protect our personnel around the world."


    Words which mean nothing without decisive action.


    We'll see what they actually do.


    Your version of events don't add up with the reality.
    Oh, I think they do.
    Last edited by Harshaw; 09-15-12 at 12:58 AM.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, well, if that's going to be the overriding concern in making these decisions, then we might as well just withdraw from the world and go home, because we're way too timid to be in it.
    They've already killed our people. They're already looking to kill more. And it is ALREADY disastrous for American interests in the region.
    A "sane" leader would recognize this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So you think its not disastrous for American interests in the region now?

    Meh, its not nearly as disastrous as it could be, most people I see over here in Jordan for example view these protests as legitimate but that they should not turn violent, have the United States start bombing people and see most of them change their minds, wasn't it an American general who said its crazy for the United States to go to war with a middle eastern country? Were they able to stop violence in Iraq? Afghanistan? and now you want the US to go to war with different ME countries simultaneously? forget those couple thousands and see 10s of millions take their place.

    There is no way a sane leader would do that. And trying to defuse the tension as opposed to escalating it was and still is the right thing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    They can stop the billion of dollars pouring in in those countries to begin with.
    Am not sure people actually want it, I mean in the last poll I read on this subject in Egypt more than 90% were in favor of not taking it.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Meh, its not nearly as disastrous as it could be, most people I see over here in Jordan for example view these protests as legitimate but that they should not turn violent, have the United States start bombing people and see most of them change their minds, wasn't it an American general who said its crazy for the United States to go to war with a middle eastern country? Were they able to stop violence in Iraq? Afghanistan? and now you want the US to go to war with different ME countries simultaneously? forget those couple thousands and see 10s of millions in take their place.

    There is no way a sane leader would do that. And trying to defuse the tension as opposed to escalating it was and still is the right thing to do.
    Who said anything about "going to war" with these countries? It's about putting down attacks on our embassies.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who said anything about "going to war" with these countries? It's about putting down attacks on our embassies.
    "When you kill our people, you need to be killed back", sounds like war to me. Libya has already caught suspects involved in those attacks am not sure who are the 'you' that you want to revenge kill?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Coptic Christians in Egypt stand next to Muslims as anti-US sentiment grows
    CAIRO: Despite the growing fears among expatriate Egyptian Coptic Christians in the United States over the potential response by Muslims in Egypt toward the Christian minority, those in the country, especially the youth, are joining forces with their fellow Muslims in protests against an anti-Islam film.

    On Friday morning, in view of smoldering vehicles and tear gas billowing from the ground, three young Christians covered their face as the gas moved ever closer.

    “We will stand by our Muslim brothers in this troubled time. We are all Egyptians,” Farid, a 22-year-old university student and self-described Ultra, or an avid football fan among the many who have taken frontline positions in the current clashes in downtown Cairo, told Bikyamasr.com.

    While the minority among the throngs of Muslims in downtown Cairo, they have a strong sense of belonging.

    “As Christians, we should feel a responsibility to be here and help support Muslims who are being attacked because it appears to have been Christians and Egyptians who made the film. That is disgraceful,” he added. His two colleagues nodded in agreement.

    “If we are disagreeing about other things that’s fine, but right now this violence by the security forces is unacceptable. It was a peaceful protest that was attacked that started this and now we are all needed,” he argued.

    The film at the center of the controversy had initially been claimed to have been made by an Israeli-American real estate developer, but after more investigations, it is now believed to have been made by extremist Coptic Christians living in the United States. Many of whom are barred from ever returning to Egypt as a result of their antagonism towards Islam.

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