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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It has everything to do with someone exercising a right and and inciting violence by doing it. Do you not see my point, or do you not wish to?
    Argue with the Supreme Court. I didn't base my post on my opinion. I based it on the court's view as to what limits speech.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    OMG, can you really not understand what I have been saying? I am done.
    Why not debate what I have posted? You specifically said
    I simply said that if someone expressed their views in such a way as to incite riots, that person can be held accountable for any damage it causes.
    If I'm understanding right, if I decided to go on a barbaric rampage and kill people over the Piss Christ or Family Guy then the creators of both works should be held accountable, correct?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    When I first heard about the attacks I had heard that some Libyan security people had been killed also. However, it appears now that many where wounded and not killed. Some countries in the Middle East are our allies, so yes, some of these countries didn't turn against us because of the Bush wars. The people in Libya loved the ambassadar. They expressed that loved by having a time of mourning and showing signs expressing their love for Stephens.
    I know it's hard to accept that the war in Iraq was a huge failure and the war in Afganistan wasn't as effective as we had hoped it would be, but it is time to face the facts.
    First, you were wrong about Libyans dieing to protect American personel. Then, you claim that, "many", were injured protecting American personel and failed to present any supporting docs. Then, you claim that American soldiers lost the war in Iraq.

    Your credibility tank is running low by the time you made that last claim.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're inflaming me with this argument of yours. Does that give me license to kill?
    You obviously do not grasp what I have tried to say. Let me put it this way. The Supreme COurt has put limits to the freedom of speech. Study the courts views on that limit. I wasn't stating my opinion. I was showing facts that there is a limit to freedom of speech.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    One thing that gets ignored in this is that in a lot of countries without free speech, many don't understand American free speech, so when **** like the movie comes out, it may seem like it is "government-approved" as it would have to be if it came out in a country with censorship. Just thought it's a point worth addressing.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    The German people were a whole different beast and they fought with fanatical resistance right up until the end.
    Exactly my point: as long as they resisted us, we killed them. Sooner, or later, nothing is left but the cowards and the shirkers.

    The nature of warfare dictates that the bravest and most adacious die firstest and the mostest. Eventually, that natural process leaves one side with no one that is willing to wage war.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yet, the rest of the people of the region are doing nothing. The people pictured, protesting the goofy asses, are a small handful of people. Where the hell is everybody else?
    The two excuses for Islamic behavior tend to be, "Not all Muslims are terrorists" or "It's only a small number committing the murderous acts".

    The question is, if it is just a small number why can't the larger number control them? It's not as though they are trying to hide what they're doing

    A few signs will only fool those who want to be fooled, who will continue to make excuses for the the rabble.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Exactly my point: as long as they resisted us, we killed them. Sooner, or later, nothing is left but the cowards and the shirkers.

    The nature of warfare dictates that the bravest and most adacious die firstest and the mostest. Eventually, that natural process leaves one side with no one that is willing to wage war.
    And they were not just bombed to death,it took 15 million Allied/Soviet troops to beat them down in addition to bombing them....Germany at the time had around 70 million people...
    Imagine what it would take to beat down 1.5 billion....
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    First, you were wrong about Libyans dieing to protect American personel. Then, you claim that, "many", were injured protecting American personel and failed to present any supporting docs. Then, you claim that American soldiers lost the war in Iraq.

    Your credibility tank is running low by the time you made that last claim.
    Libyan official says Benghazi attack was an organized, 2-part attack by militants on Americans - The Washington Post
    The second assault took place several hours later and targeted the safe house — a villa inside the grounds of the city’s equestrian club — killing two Americans and wounding a number of Libyans and Americans.

    Also, I didn't say the American soldiers lost the Iraq war. The Iraq war was doomed from the start. Our soldiers did the best they could. THey were put into a losing situation.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Argue with the Supreme Court. I didn't base my post on my opinion. I based it on the court's view as to what limits speech.
    You based it on a misunderstanding of what they said.

    They didn't say speech which incites violence or a riot is illegal. If you wish to make it illegal, that's a different choice. And that the reasons behind that wish are just as valid when it comes to the abortionist and the violence abortion incites.
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