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Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations


Oddly enough, they don't actually quote Clinton's statement in that regard. What they DO quote is the mush they've been peddling for days:

"The people of Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Tunisia did not trade the tyranny of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob," she said Friday during a ceremony in which the bodies of the four killed in Benghazi returned to the United States.
"Reasonable people and responsible leaders in these countries need to do everything they can to restore security and hold accountable those behind these violent acts. And we will ... keep taking steps to protect our personnel around the world."




Words which mean nothing without decisive action.



We'll see what they actually do.


Your version of events don't add up with the reality.

Oh, I think they do.
 
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Oh, well, if that's going to be the overriding concern in making these decisions, then we might as well just withdraw from the world and go home, because we're way too timid to be in it.
They've already killed our people. They're already looking to kill more. And it is ALREADY disastrous for American interests in the region.
A "sane" leader would recognize this.
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So you think its not disastrous for American interests in the region now?


Meh, its not nearly as disastrous as it could be, most people I see over here in Jordan for example view these protests as legitimate but that they should not turn violent, have the United States start bombing people and see most of them change their minds, wasn't it an American general who said its crazy for the United States to go to war with a middle eastern country? Were they able to stop violence in Iraq? Afghanistan? and now you want the US to go to war with different ME countries simultaneously? forget those couple thousands and see 10s of millions take their place.

There is no way a sane leader would do that. And trying to defuse the tension as opposed to escalating it was and still is the right thing to do.

They can stop the billion of dollars pouring in in those countries to begin with.
Am not sure people actually want it, I mean in the last poll I read on this subject in Egypt more than 90% were in favor of not taking it.
 
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Meh, its not nearly as disastrous as it could be, most people I see over here in Jordan for example view these protests as legitimate but that they should not turn violent, have the United States start bombing people and see most of them change their minds, wasn't it an American general who said its crazy for the United States to go to war with a middle eastern country? Were they able to stop violence in Iraq? Afghanistan? and now you want the US to go to war with different ME countries simultaneously? forget those couple thousands and see 10s of millions in take their place.

There is no way a sane leader would do that. And trying to defuse the tension as opposed to escalating it was and still is the right thing to do.

Who said anything about "going to war" with these countries? It's about putting down attacks on our embassies.
 
Who said anything about "going to war" with these countries? It's about putting down attacks on our embassies.

"When you kill our people, you need to be killed back", sounds like war to me. Libya has already caught suspects involved in those attacks am not sure who are the 'you' that you want to revenge kill?
 
Coptic Christians in Egypt stand next to Muslims as anti-US sentiment grows
CAIRO: Despite the growing fears among expatriate Egyptian Coptic Christians in the United States over the potential response by Muslims in Egypt toward the Christian minority, those in the country, especially the youth, are joining forces with their fellow Muslims in protests against an anti-Islam film.

On Friday morning, in view of smoldering vehicles and tear gas billowing from the ground, three young Christians covered their face as the gas moved ever closer.

“We will stand by our Muslim brothers in this troubled time. We are all Egyptians,” Farid, a 22-year-old university student and self-described Ultra, or an avid football fan among the many who have taken frontline positions in the current clashes in downtown Cairo, told Bikyamasr.com.

While the minority among the throngs of Muslims in downtown Cairo, they have a strong sense of belonging.

“As Christians, we should feel a responsibility to be here and help support Muslims who are being attacked because it appears to have been Christians and Egyptians who made the film. That is disgraceful,” he added. His two colleagues nodded in agreement.

“If we are disagreeing about other things that’s fine, but right now this violence by the security forces is unacceptable. It was a peaceful protest that was attacked that started this and now we are all needed,” he argued.

The film at the center of the controversy had initially been claimed to have been made by an Israeli-American real estate developer, but after more investigations, it is now believed to have been made by extremist Coptic Christians living in the United States. Many of whom are barred from ever returning to Egypt as a result of their antagonism towards Islam.
 
"When you kill our people, you need to be killed back", sounds like war to me.

Then you heard it wrong.

Libya has already caught suspects involved in those attacks am not sure who are the 'you' that you want to revenge kill?

Who said "revenge kill"?
 
If the United States actually strikes those protesters which I understand is what you're suggesting, every single American in the middle east would have legitimate fear for his or her life and the US would have no possible way to protect most of them in time. Not to mention It would be disastrous for American interests in the region and therefor it is simply never going to happen, at least not when there's a sane leader in charge.



You don't think every American in the Middle East doesnt have to fear for their lives now?
 
Am not sure people actually want it, I mean in the last poll I read on this subject in Egypt more than 90% were in favor of not taking it.


What an amazing statement!

I doubt if it's accurate in view that the Egyptian government is very good at pretending to be friends of the West on one hand and on the other hand greedily accepting as much money as possible.

You should tell the Egyptian government your viewpoint.

Also please explain where Egypt is going to get aid if and when America stops providing this help.
 
"When you kill our people, you need to be killed back", sounds like war to me. Libya has already caught suspects involved in those attacks am not sure who are the 'you' that you want to revenge kill?



So then why didnt Clinton or Obama say anything to those Religious Leaders about getting their flocks under control? Or why didnt they talk about those religious leaders teaching tolerance and practicing what they preach?
 
So then why didnt Clinton or Obama say anything to those Religious Leaders about getting their flocks under control? Or why didnt they talk about those religious leaders teaching tolerance and practicing what they preach?


During a late-night, 20-minute phone call, Mr. Obama warned Mr. Morsi that relations would be jeopardized if Egyptian authorities failed to protect American diplomats and stand more firmly against anti-American attacks.

linkypoo...


And here is a better description of what happened around this call:


Mr. Morsi initially issued only a mild rebuke of the rioters — and on Facebook — while his movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, called for more protests. And though the Egyptian police coordinated with American officials, Mr. Morsi waited 24 hours before issuing his statement against the militants who stormed the embassy.

But even as demonstrations continued, the official tone changed abruptly after a blunt phone call to Mr. Morsi from President Obama, who warned that relations would be jeopardized if Egyptian authorities failed to protect American diplomats and stand more firmly against anti-American attacks.

The following day, searching for a middle ground, Mr. Morsi appeared on national television, telling Egyptians it was their “religious duty to protect our guests and those who come to us from outside our nation,” including their embassies, and businesses. “I know that the people attacking the embassies do not represent any of us. We all have to cooperate to express opinions while maintaining our principles, our correct peaceful ways that the whole world accepts,” he said.

linkypoo...
 
Thats a direct quote

and that is text book revenge killings.

Uh, no it isn't; it's the appropriate response to a lethal attack.
 


Here lets put this in perspective with their own very words. I tried to have an open general discussion in da basement about where peeps would have been able to use some language freely and with concern with what Show out on the Board.

So remember those who look within the looking glass.
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Absolutely not. Iron fisted military dictators did not tolerate unapproved protests.



Politically correct liberals don't approve of military dictators.



Political correctness has gone too far.
 


Now Obama's Words.....after Hillary expresses how he came to their Dept and grieved with them.
 
During a late-night, 20-minute phone call, Mr. Obama warned Mr. Morsi that relations would be jeopardized if Egyptian authorities failed to protect American diplomats and stand more firmly against anti-American attacks.

linkypoo...


And here is a better description of what happened around this call:


Mr. Morsi initially issued only a mild rebuke of the rioters — and on Facebook — while his movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, called for more protests. And though the Egyptian police coordinated with American officials, Mr. Morsi waited 24 hours before issuing his statement against the militants who stormed the embassy.

But even as demonstrations continued, the official tone changed abruptly after a blunt phone call to Mr. Morsi from President Obama, who warned that relations would be jeopardized if Egyptian authorities failed to protect American diplomats and stand more firmly against anti-American attacks.

The following day, searching for a middle ground, Mr. Morsi appeared on national television, telling Egyptians it was their “religious duty to protect our guests and those who come to us from outside our nation,” including their embassies, and businesses. “I know that the people attacking the embassies do not represent any of us. We all have to cooperate to express opinions while maintaining our principles, our correct peaceful ways that the whole world accepts,” he said.

linkypoo...

Yes yes.....all well after the fact. The Religious Leaders are the Clerics. Not Morsi! Moreover such should have been done so intently after the Burning of the Qurans in Afghanistan. So that All Religious leaders.....Were Put on the Same Page!
 
Yes yes.....all well after the fact. The Religious Leaders are the Clerics. Not Morsi! Moreover such should have been done so intently after the Burning of the Qurans in Afghanistan. So that All Religious leaders.....Were Put on the Same Page!

So you are blaming Obama for not be psychic enough to have done this BEFORE it all happened?
 
Am not sure people actually want it, I mean in the last poll I read on this subject in Egypt more than 90% were in favor of not taking it.

The government is accepting the help and is not guided by polls. One of the reasons for the embassy in Cairo was because of the sizable aid accepted by the Egyptian government. Indeed, "Washington has a large embassy in Cairo, partly because of a vast aid program that began after Egypt signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979. Washington gives $1.3 billion in aid each year to Egypt's army plus additional funds for its government."
 
So you are blaming Obama for not be psychic enough to have done this BEFORE it all happened?

Uhm they burned the Qurans.....when did you say? Just how do you think a Leader can be proactive, especially after several incidents that take have taken place on his watch?

Or are you saying that this President cannot adapt and improvise?
 
The government is accepting the help and is not guided by polls. One of the reasons for the embassy in Cairo was because of the sizable aid accepted by the Egyptian government. Indeed, "Washington has a large embassy in Cairo, partly because of a vast aid program that began after Egypt signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979. Washington gives $1.3 billion in aid each year to Egypt's army plus additional funds for its government."

Also Morsi has told Obama he needs 5 Billion, not 1.3!
 
We shouldn't have embassies in many of these countries anymore. They've proven they aren't capable of maintaining basic law and order. Evacuate all US personnel ASAP. Shoot anyone who tries to stop us from leaving.
Wrong idea. Select one place. Destroy it. Completely. I think Mecca is the right target. Create a list of Islamist "holy" places. One riot, one place. Even swap. You destroy a Burger King. We destroy a Mecca. Give the people enough warning to depart of they choose to. Otherwise arrange the meeting of the Islamist with Allah.

Then let's convert the survivors to Christianity at the tips of spears if necessary.
 
The countries in the mid-east know how weak Obama is and they are taking advantage of that weakness....This slap in our face would have never happened under President Bush.
 
What do you suggest Obama do? dictators or not these protests would have still happened anyway and there's absolutely nothing the United States could possibly do to stop them.
We can begin by cutting off the flow of US dollars to the nations where riots occurred and the locals did nothing to stop it.
Then we can give them all a good spanking.

Let us begin with Iran. I believe it is time we use nuclear weapons to dig up their underground facilities. Use the nukes up. We can make more.
 


Now Obama's Words.....after Hillary expresses how he came to their Dept and grieved with them.


Do you think he thought about the Libyan Guard who switched sides and joined the protestors? Wonder if he pictured any Libyans Taking Washing machines and desks. Chairs and anything that wasnt nailed down? What about our Troopers that get shot in the back in Afghanistan by those they are training? Plus let not forget Hillary talking about how Assad was a reformer before she became the SOS.

Do you think he ever thought about.....Damn, I scrwed this one up?
 
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