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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'll ask you what I've asked others:

    Should an abortionist be locked up because what he does enrages someone enough to bomb an abortion clinic?
    That has nothing to do with freedom of speech, so I don't see your point.

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I think I made my self very clear. I never said people shouldn't be allowed to make films that insult people's religions. I simply said that if someone expressed their views in such a way as to incite riots, that person can be held accountable for any damage it causes. The first case heard by the Supreme Court on this was the case where someone yelled fire in a crowded theater. The Supreme Court ruled that freedom of speech is limited. I was not using my logic on this point. I was using the Supreme COurt's view of how freedom of speech can be constitutionally limited.
    So, if me and some of my church members went in and murdered the staff of Family Guy, raped Seth McFarlane and then murdered him is he the only one accountable due to him offending me when his show mocks Jesus and Christianity?

    I certainly hope you don't think that's rational or just. We have freedom of speech, how you react to something you don't like hearing is completely your fault and you are the only one accountable.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    That has nothing to do with freedom of speech, so I don't see your point.
    It has everything to do with someone exercising a right and and inciting violence by doing it. Do you not see my point, or do you not wish to?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, if me and some of my church members went in and murdered the staff of Family Guy, raped Seth McFarlane and then murdered him is he the only one accountable due to him offending me when his show mocks Jesus and Christianity?

    I certainly hope you don't think that's rational.
    To be consistent, she would have to think so.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It has everything to do with someone exercising a right and and inciting violence by doing it. Do you not see my point, or do you not wish to?
    psst, her political lean is progressive...hint, hint.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    psst, her political lean is progressive...hint, hint.
    I understand that, which is why I formulated the analogy as I did.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those tactics worked for the Allies when bombed Dresdan, Bremmen, Wilhamschlaven, Tokyo and Yokohama. The more fighters they recruit, the more of their fighters we kill. It's an age old process that's stood the test of time.
    The German people were a whole different beast and they fought with fanatical resistance right up until the end.
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yet, the rest of the people of the region are doing nothing. The people pictured, protesting the goofy asses, are a small handful of people. Where the hell is everybody else?
    Hiding in fear?
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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Yes, Libya did defend out embasy and our people. Libyans died trying to save our people. Bush did horrible on the wars, that is why we are in so much debt and so hated in the Middle East. We can't solve all of our problems in the Middle East with war.
    We didn't win the Iraq war and we haven't won the Afganistan war. We lost men, money, and reputation. We lost more than we won, that is why I say we didn't win those wars. I never said we should take away our rights. However, people should realize how their inflame these situations. Also, freedom of speech was limited constitutionally by the Supreme Court. If speech is designed to inflame and it causes deaths, those who inflamed a situation to the point of it causing deaths can be held accountable for their part in the situation. Like it or not, freedom of speech has its limits.
    You're inflaming me with this argument of yours. Does that give me license to kill?

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    Re: Anit-American violence sweeps across 23 world nations

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, if me and some of my church members went in and murdered the staff of Family Guy, raped Seth McFarlane and then murdered him is he the only one accountable due to him offending me when his show mocks Jesus and Christianity?

    I certainly hope you don't think that's rational or just. We have freedom of speech, how you react to something you don't like hearing is completely your fault and you are the only one accountable.
    OMG, can you really not understand what I have been saying? I am done.

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