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Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

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Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions
 
lpast said:
Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions
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Good for them. :)
 
Very good news. With this and the Chicago strike happening, it looks like the initial push by government to screw with unions is being met with quite a powerful resistance. Hopefully, that resistance will be able to sustain itself.
 
It will be appealed. THe supreme court has already overturned another Dane Country judge that attempted to stop it, they will almost certainly do so again. As I recall, last time they appealed it and got a quick decision... I would guess they will (if possible) probably do the same thing.
 
How many bites at the apple they going to try to take. This judge should be yanked from the bench PDQ. Should be charges filed against him with the state judical ethics board.
 
clownboy said:
How many bites at the apple they going to try to take. This judge should be yanked from the bench PDQ. Should be charges filed against him with the state judical ethics board.
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why? for making the correct judicial call
 
Does this ruling mean that all employees who chose not to pay union dues will now have them deducted anyway against their wishes? Again? If so the unions are just creating more enemies.
 
justabubba said:
why? for making the correct judicial call
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It's not the "correct judicial call", that's the point. Already been decided by the SCOTUS and recently (the final word on the matter in his universe). He's trying to jump branches and veto legislation from the bench. That's cause for an judicial ethics hearing.
 
clownboy said:
It's not the "correct judicial call", that's the point. Already been decided by the SCOTUS and recently (the final word on the matter in his universe). He's trying to jump branches and veto legislation from the bench. That's cause for an judicial ethics hearing.
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Is this Hispanic judge a Democrat or a Republican

there is no constitutional right to a public sector union
 
Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

Judge strikes down Wis. law limiting union rights - Houston Chronicle

A Wisconsin judge on Friday struck down nearly all of the state law championed by Gov. Scott Walker that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most public workers.

Walker's administration immediately vowed to appeal, while unions, which have vigorously fought the law, declared victory. But what the ruling meant for existing public contracts was murky: Unions claimed the ruling meant they could negotiate again, but Walker could seek to keep the law in effect while the legal drama plays out.
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I think that chances are good that this ruling will be overturned on appeal. It doesn't make sense that the state can grant rights to unions through legislation but then can't take them away through legislation.
 
TurtleDude said:
Is this Hispanic judge a Democrat or a Republican

there is no constitutional right to a public sector union
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the Constitution denies right of assembly for public sector employees?
 
TurtleDude said:
Is this Hispanic judge a Democrat or a Republican

there is no constitutional right to a public sector union
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He was appointed by Doyle, so almost certainly a dem.
 
justabubba said:
the Constitution denies right of assembly for public sector employees?
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there is a difference between that and having a union protected by law. I believe people have a right to assemble but an employer should be able to fire those who do assemble

that in no way violates their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

just as you have a right to free speech but if you say stuff in the work place I don't like I can fire you and that is not a constitutional violation
 
buck said:
He was appointed by Doyle, so almost certainly a dem.
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I knew that-it was more of a rhetorical question. it appears to be a political decision for political reasons
 
Clearly an activist judge. This law has already been deemed Constitutional by the WI Supreme Court. My guess, they get the decision stayed until the WSC hears it.....again.
 
Sad day for the WI tax payers. Hopefully it will get corrected before long.
 
TurtleDude said:
there is a difference between that and having a union protected by law. I believe people have a right to assemble but an employer should be able to fire those who do assemble

that in no way violates their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

just as you have a right to free speech but if you say stuff in the work place I don't like I can fire you and that is not a constitutional violation
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notice how in both of your examples that the power of one exceeded that of the other ... where you would think it acceptable for the employer to terminate an employee who chooses to affiliate with other like minded employees to form a union, or chooses to terminate the employee who voices that which the employer find objectionable
and the 5 USC provisions were established to allow unions to restore balance to such inequitable work environments
 
justabubba said:
notice how in both of your examples that the power of one exceeded that of the other ... where you would think it acceptable for the employer to terminate an employee who chooses to affiliate with other like minded employees to form a union, or chooses to terminate the employee who voices that which the employer find objectionable
and the 5 USC provisions were established to allow unions to restore balance to such inequitable work environments
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in public sectors-unions have huge advantages. Why

Because often the unions are the masters of those bargaining "against them"

when I represented a company in a union negation the union was trying to increase its benefits but it was limited by two things.

1) what other members of the work force would work for

2) the health of the company

and I as the rep for management was bargaining for the best interest of management

however, in the public sector

the tax payers are on the hook to pay the public sector contracts

but the tax payers and the parents (in the case of teachers) are not properly represented at the bargaining table

in strong union areas the politicians are often elected with the help of the unions and are more beholden to the unions than the taxpayers.
 
These awful people who look at the law and act like tis. Who do they think they are, Judges?
 
clownboy said:
It's not the "correct judicial call", that's the point. Already been decided by the SCOTUS and recently (the final word on the matter in his universe). He's trying to jump branches and veto legislation from the bench. That's cause for an judicial ethics hearing.
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The case decided was about the process of passing the law. This case is about the law itself. Hint: those are two different issues. In other words, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has not ruled whether the law is constitutional under free speech, free association and equal protection grounds.
 
TurtleDude said:
Is this Hispanic judge a Democrat or a Republican

there is no constitutional right to a public sector union
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What the **** does the judge's race have to do with anything? Why do you race bait so often?
 
Redress said:
What the **** does the judge's race have to do with anything? Why do you race bait so often?
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I was making sure I had the right judge-He was the first Hispanic judge appointed in that state. The important issue is his party and it appears that his party is DEMOCRAT which explains his RULING since the law is such that his ruling appears to be borderline

Trying to use the race card is silly Redress
 
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danarhea said:
Good for them. :)
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I agree and I hope the unions never stop fighting it....the court cases will soon start in New Jersey also....Christie has failed on every single front in Jersey and the media is mum on it....unemployment has gone up since hes gov highest in the nation...property taxs still highest in the nation...budget shortfall and he hasnt made his 500 million payment yet that he promised...but the courts will take care of that...thats a guaranteed loss for him..
The lawsuits are just starting on Rick Scott in fla...
 
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