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    Re: Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nah. the math is on the side of the GOP here, same with entitlement reform.

    The numbers are on the side of the voters

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

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    Judge strikes down Wis. law limiting union rights - Houston Chronicle



    I think that chances are good that this ruling will be overturned on appeal. It doesn't make sense that the state can grant rights to unions through legislation but then can't take them away through legislation.
    It doesn't make sense to allow the State to legislate its way out of contractual obligations and violate federal law.

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    Re: Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The numbers are on the side of the voters
    Even the voters do not have the option to turn off reality. But as I recall the voters of Wisconsin had their chance to comment on Scott Walkers reforms when he was put up for a recall election .

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
    which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
    but since you insist you are a lawyer, give us the legal basis which excludes the public employees from retaining their Constitutional rights of assembly
    government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition congress... a right available to every citizen.

    why do you feel government workers should be possessing of rights and authority not available to every citizen?

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    public employees do not relinquish their Constitutional rights when they accept jobs in government
    which means public sector employees have as much right to union representation as private sector employees
    but since you insist you are a lawyer, give us the legal basis which excludes the public employees from retaining their Constitutional rights of assembly
    You should take a look at the Hatch Act. Federal workers by law are not allowed to do a lot of things in the political arena.

    Constitutional rights are one thing. The special privileges granted to unions by statute are another. The closed shop, the right to collect dues through paycheck deductions, mandatory payment of dues to unions, unions running the pension fund. All of that was granted by legislation and does not constitute constitutional rights. Work rules, performance evaluation, remuneration, the extent to which a government institution is bound by collective bargaining, etc., can be dictated by legislation for public workers and the legislature need not pay any attention to what the union says.

    The right of assembly does not include the right to impose the union's will on the legislature.

    The teacher's unions made it pretty clear that they can't survive without mandatory dues. The idea that a union has the constitutional right to collect dues from workers who are not their members is about as silly as it gets.

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition congress... a right available to every citizen.

    why do you feel government workers should be possessing of rights and authority not available to every citizen?
    no one said federal workers should possess rights not available to civilians
    but neither should they be deprived of Constitutional rights only because they are public workers
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no one said federal workers should possess rights not available to civilians
    but neither should they be deprived of Constitutional rights only because they are public workers
    I agree... which is why I support the eradication of public sector unions... and do not support the the eradication of the right to petition congress for redress of grievances.

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    Re: Judge Strikes Down Wisconsin Law Limiting Union Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I agree... which is why I support the eradication of public sector unions... and do not support the the eradication of the right to petition congress for redress of grievances.
    you seem confused
    if you agree that public employee possess the rights of civilian employees then you should also recognize that public employees should have the right to union representation just as do private sector employees
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its not over of course...Im sure it will be appealed...but these court cases will go on until next election at least


    A Wisconsin judge has struck down the politically divisive state law that gutted collective bargaining rights for most public workers, the Associated Press reports.

    Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled today that the law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers, violates both the state and U.S. constitutions. AP writes that it wasn't immediately clear whether the law was suspended immediately.
    Unions representing Madison's teachers Milwaukee city employees had sued to overturn the law. Walker survived a June recall attempt driven by unions.

    Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions
    It's about time that The Constitution was brought into this argument. This thing is going to go just like the rights under the II Amendment that the Supreme Court has upheld.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Wis. judge strikes down law crippling public unions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Even the voters do not have the option to turn off reality. But as I recall the voters of Wisconsin had their chance to comment on Scott Walkers reforms when he was put up for a recall election .
    CPwill us being broke because of Public workers and Medicare is subjective and opinionated and YOUR opinion and the opinion of the teatards is not the only opinion allowed in the United States....others think there far more blatant reasons for our debt...like 30 yrs of tax cuts and outsourcing and the total utter rape of americans by the financial industry....a few americans making a decent wage and benefits is NOT the cause of this

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