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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They could only know that if they believed that Muslims were a bunch of ignorant out of control maniacs.



    Muslims have been murdering innocent people for more than 10 years. The modern era of Muslim violence and barbarism would have started at the Munich Olympics in 1972. Again we hear that 'FIRE in a crowded theater cliche' which, by the way, has never actually happened.
    However if there is a fire in a crowded theater then it might be smart to mention it.


    It is a stupid film but making stupid films is not illegal. In fact there is a market for them.

    Bachmann loved it? That's stupid too.
    Stupid but true. You even think it is worthwhile or you wouldn't be defending it. There is nothing about free speech that allows you to knowingly cause people harm. I beelive all involved with the production or financing of this film should be arrested for inciting violence with intent to kill. Not for the killings in Libya, that was an Alqeada reprsial for the killing of one of theirs and was planned long ago. But for the senseless violece thst has spread across the muslim world because a few sickos decided they can get away with it.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And as someone not dumb enough to get that, would have a leg up in social circles, no? THAT's the point. Even, and I mean even if it was purposeful, why wouldn't a civilized "people" not get that? If none of it is true, then why all the hub bub? Why kill people that had absolutely zero to do with its making or message? You speak of dumb, and I think you nailed it. It's dumb and despotic to rage against the individual ramblings of a single person or even a group of persons that purposely goes out if their way to denigrate if the message isn't true, or even remotely true. Why kill innocent people over such a thing? I'll tell you why. Because they're so used to being led around like little sheep that they have no concept of rational-objefctive singlular thoughts of their own.

    There are people here on this forum that display the same characteristics every day. I'd say the irrational sheep-type personality is more common than not, and is why we've been unable to evolve socially for the last few decades; perhaps even a few hundred years. Organization is fine, following a particular group is fine, but this should always cease to be the case when the the ideals of the group begin to differ into those that you instinctively know you yourself do not share. We should always strive as people to be objective about other peoples positions, even if we ourselves initially disagree.

    What happened, and is still happening in the ME, is shameful because it seems to represent a majority of the attitudes of a whole very large group of people, and that it does is alarming.


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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If you have a scab do you constanly pick on it so that it never heals? Your logic sounds like that to me.
    If it's really just a symptom of the cancer inside me, then picking at it really doesn't matter. Even if I left it alone it would kill me.


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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    LOL Really and what did you expect them to do, hold down the fort like it was the Alamo?


    No, I'm not kidding.
    I would expect them to obey General Order #1: Gaurd everything within the limits if their post and quit their post only when properly relieved.

    Anything less is a faillure to obey a general order, deriliction if duty and cowardice under fire, cort martial offenses and punishable by death.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously...not!
    I wish I did not have to be civil. Sometimes the very best approach for posters like that is to ignore them.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Maybe they were, but they didn't get permission to fire in self defense as possibly required by their ROE. I bring that up because apparently there was some security there but we have absolutely no reports of any attackers wounded. Even if it was only 2 Marines with M-9s, why didn't they fire as they retreated? Putting M-60s on the roof is only useful if you let the guy behind the rifle pull the trigger. If the Marines and other security forces actually had permission to fire and ammo, then why don't we see reports of the dead and wounded attackers? And if they didn't have/get permission to fire in self defense, then they were just more targets and completely useless for security.

    And in Cairo, we now have reports that the Marines there weren't even allowed Ammo, much less given permission to fire. An M-16/M-4 is a rather clumsy and fairly useless club, an M-9 even more so and an M-60 is way to unwieldy to be a good club. If there is no ammo in the rifle, what use is it? Unless they inserted empty clips, it is not hard to notice that any of the standard weapons issued were empty.
    If they were forbiden to fire on attackers, that equates to insufficient security.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they were forbiden to fire on attackers, that equates to insufficient security.
    I have to agree with that assertion. I just hate when Politicians place troops in dangerous positions but give them a restrictive ROE (Rules of Engagement) that limit or take away their ability to act in self defense. It just happens way to often, and I don't know if it coincidence or deliberate policy, but every time it bites our troops in the ass, there seems to be a Dem in the White House. Without access to the actual ROE given, which is usually classified, I can not prove it is deliberate policy, but that is what I suspect.

    Incidents like these reminds me of the documentary/archive film of Marines at the Embassy in Saigon, during the TET Offensive, taking fire but crouching down and one of them on the radio requesting "permission" to return fire. And that the Embassy in Tehran was overrun without shots being fired. The Sailors on the Cole watching the boat approach and not being allowed/able to do anything about it.

    The same thing keeps happening, over and over, but no one in a decision making position seems to be learning from it.
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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Stupid but true.
    Since when is the truth stupid?

    You even think it is worthwhile or you wouldn't be defending it. There is nothing about free speech that allows you to knowingly cause people harm. I beelive all involved with the production or financing of this film should be arrested for inciting violence with intent to kill. Not for the killings in Libya, that was an Alqeada reprsial for the killing of one of theirs and was planned long ago. But for the senseless violece thst has spread across the muslim world because a few sickos decided they can get away with it.
    I only defend this film because it is covered by the First Amendment. If enough Americans want to discard the First Amendment and have government regulation of speech and opinion then go for it. I doubt you'll get much support.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If you have a scab do you constanly pick on it so that it never heals? Your logic sounds like that to me.
    Islam is a scab?

    Not a bad analogy.

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    Re: Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they were forbiden to fire on attackers, that equates to insufficient security.
    Treating highly trained US Marines like Barney Fife is one of the greatest acts of dereliction of duty in US history.

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