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Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protest

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Grant said:
What have Islamic countries been doing for western civilization?

Nada, correct?
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We are oil pigs, and they satisfy that demand. They could live without us a lot sooner than we could live without them.
 
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Grant said:
The answer to Sharon's question seemed obvious.
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It is. I was just making an observation that what the ME has contributed is to keep things stirred up.
 
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Actually it was not them who developed the oil reserves. They were camped on top of it all and had no idea of its value to the civilized world.

Had the western democracies not developed the area they'd still be living in the 7th century rather than the 14th.
 
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lizzie said:
It is. I was just making an observation that what the ME has contributed is to keep things stirred up.
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Oh, i see, Lizzie.

Yes, they do contribute a great deal to the interaction on these boards and tend to be easy pickings as well. Defending the indefensible is no easy task.
 
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apdst said:
And I said, yes...to both.
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So by your reasoning, the Catholics in America are responsible for the behavior of the Catholics in Ireland who are feuding with the Protestants. Do you honestly think that if the Pope were to call for a stop to the violence in Ireland, it would just end? How would you have the Islamic people stop the extremists in their midst?
 
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Douglas_Smith said:
So by your reasoning, the Catholics in America are responsible for the behavior of the Catholics in Ireland who are feuding with the Protestants. Do you honestly think that if the Pope were to call for a stop to the violence in Ireland, it would just end? How would you have the Islamic people stop the extremists in their midst?
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To at least some degree I think they are.

It should be noted/Emphasized tho, virtually No Muslim countries are in a position TO criticize others, because in a Significant Majority there is Persecution against Religious Minorities, oft with state sanction.
This is NOT true of the Christian world where "isam is the fastest growing religion" while the Purge of Christians in their countries continues.

The "vaticans" of the Arab world are perhaps Saudi-Musims-only-Mecca-Arabia and Egypt's al-Azhar.
Far from Vaticanesque, the Arab league supported Sister Sudan in it's Genocides for most 20+ years it went on.
People die Every day in the Name of Islam from Mauritania to Mindinao.

I'm surprised they're not Murdering Copts over this, as they regularly do.
Easier I think for them to blame America and a Jew.
Thus this string.
 
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ecofarm said:
The movie had nothing to do with the murders. The movie is a not an excuse for murder. The movie did not "lead" to anything.

Blaming inanimate objects is stupid. If people were not oppressed like animals by crazy islamists, they would not act like animals.
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Yes ......... but ?

Blaming the movie is a ruse. So the demonstrations were going to happen regardless. Being the first 9-11 after the death of Bin Laden, the organization of a new Egyptian government. Gaddafi gone. Yemen with a new government, etc. We knew protests were coming (although probably not the Al-Qeada attack in Libya, as they anticipated the demonstrations for a long time too). Obama knew they were coming. He knew he would look very bad.

So what a coincidence that the movie trailer, with translation, shows up on You-Tube right now ! Is broadcast on a Saudi-owned TV network in Egypt ! A Jr. High school level production, that is pathetic, just made this summer. Shown in one dump theater in Hollywood where ten folks watched it. What a coincidence that this now is translated, on You-Tube, and convenient to blame for the uprisings ... where they chanted "Obama Obama, we are a million Osama" in Cairo, by the way ... not quite a movie protest. ;)

So, you and I believe the movie excuse is a ruse. But we have to deal with the coincidence of timing for it to be there when needed.

No coincidences, especially at that level. None.

It was a false-flag that got it to You-Tube, if not worse. Bank it.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Yes ......... but ?
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I understand the Zen of Buddhism and believe rocks are alive, but blaming the movie is idol worship.
 
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24107 said:
Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew, led to protests at the U.S. consulate in Libya and the U.S. Embassy in Cairo; one American staffer killed in clashes.




Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
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Sam Bacile is an alias, used by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, because he is not allowed to access the internet, due to a previous conviction for bank fraud. Nakoula is a Coptic Christian, not a Jew. That some people are spinning this as a Jew creating the movie is bat crap insanity. Just what the hell are their motives in attempting to attribute this to an Israeli?
 
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Grant said:
Actually it was not them who developed the oil reserves. They were camped on top of it all and had no idea of its value to the civilized world.

Had the western democracies not developed the area they'd still be living in the 7th century rather than the 14th.
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Really.. My family were oil pioneers in Arabia.. and they certainly didn't have your attitude.. In fact they began training up a Saudi labor force by the late 1930s.
 
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danarhea said:
Sam Bacile is an alias, used by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, because he is not allowed to access the internet, due to a previous conviction for bank fraud. Nakoula is a Coptic Christian, not a Jew. That some people are spinning this as a Jew creating the movie is bat crap insanity. Just what the hell are their motives in attempting to attribute this to an Israeli?
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A: Anything to deflect from the fact that this is all a rebuke of the US, and of Obama's appeasement policies.

Anything.
 
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mbig said:
To at least some degree I think they are.

It should be noted/Emphasized tho, virtually No Muslim countries are in a position TO criticize others, because in a Significant Majority there is Persecution against Religious Minorities, oft with state sanction.
This is NOT true of the Christian world where "isam is the fastest growing religion" while the Purge of Christians in their countries continues.

The "vaticans" of the Arab world are perhaps Saudi-Musims-only-Mecca-Arabia and Egypt's al-Azhar.
Far from Vaticanesque, the Arab league supported Sister Sudan in it's Genocides for most 20+ years it went on.
People die Every day in the Name of Islam from Mauritania to Mindinao.

I'm surprised they're not Murdering Copts over this, as they regularly do.
Easier I think for them to blame America and a Jew.
Thus this string.
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Sudan's severe Sharia law has been roundly criticised for years.. Have you every heard of John Garang? The guy who was trained at Fort Bragg and went back to Sudan to kidnap Dinka and Neur children for his Christian army?

The cops have denouced Bacile, the excon.
 
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danarhea said:
Just what the hell are their motives in attempting to attribute this to an Israeli?
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"Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew"
 
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L0neW0lf said:
"Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew"
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Its now WELL established on this board and everywhere probably except the Bumma Ummah, the Film was made by an Egyptian-American Coptic Christian posing as a Jew.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dly-libya-egypt-protest-5.html#post1060907788

It's Old News at this point unless you live in Kabul or Sana'a, Yemen.
 
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L0neW0lf said:
"Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew"
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Read the link I provided. Sam Bacile is not an Isreali Jew. The name is an alias for a Coptic Christian who did not want to be identified, because a condition of the terms of his probation for bank fraud is not to do ANYTHING on the internet.
 
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mbig said:
Its now WELL established on this board and everywhere probably except the Bumma Ummah, the Film was made by an Egyptian-American Coptic Christian posing as a Jew.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dly-libya-egypt-protest-5.html#post1060907788

It's Old News at this point unless you live in Kabul or Sana'a, Yemen.
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And if we are to trust the Associated press it was "Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew" who's responsible for this association there is no conspiracy here, move on.


danarhea said:
Read the link I provided. Sam Bacile is not an Isreali Jew. The name is an alias for a Coptic Christian who did not want to be identified, because a condition of the terms of his probation for bank fraud is not to do ANYTHING on the internet.
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See above.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
A: Anything to deflect from the fact that this is all a rebuke of the US, and of Obama's appeasement policies.

Anything.
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DUH!! Read the title of the thread, which says that an Israeli film maker is in hiding, when in fact, the man is not an Israeli at all, but a Coptic Christian from Los Angeles who did not want to be identified, because that would violate the terms of his probation for bank fraud.

OH, and here is the link.
 
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danarhea said:
DUH!! Read the title of the thread, which says that an Israeli film maker is in hiding, when in fact, the man is not an Israeli at all, but a Coptic Christian from Los Angeles who did not want to be identified, because that would violate the terms of his probation for bank fraud.
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The rules of this forum state that he has to post the title of the news report, unless things have changed recently and am not aware of that, again it was according to the Associated press the producer who claimed he was an Israeli Jew.
 
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L0neW0lf said:
And if we are to trust the Associated press it was "Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew" who's responsible for this association there is no conspiracy here, move on.




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And, of course, we all know how you Arabs are when it comes to Jews.

What better way to get traction in your world than to have somethiong associated with Jews, eh?
 
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L0neW0lf said:
The rules of this forum state that he has to post the title of the news report, unless things have changed recently and am not aware of that, again it was according to the Associated press the producer who claimed he was an Israeli Jew.
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The producer CLAIMED he was a Jew. He is not, and he will most likely be going to prison for probation violation too. That makes him an idiot too.
 
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L0neW0lf said:
And if we are to trust the Associated press it was "Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew" who's responsible for this association there is no conspiracy here, move on.
See above.
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MediaShift . How 'Sam Bacile' Bamboozled the AP, Wall Street Journal Over Anti-Muslim Film | PBS

Or how about AP Itself?

The Associated Press: APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker

APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker
By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press – 17 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal authorities have identified a Coptic Christian in southern California who is on probation after his conviction for financial crimes as the key figure behind the anti-Muslim film that ignited mob violence against U.S. embassies across the Mideast, a U.S. law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The official said authorities had concluded that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was behind "Innocence of Muslims," a film that denigrated Islam and the prophet Muhammad and sparked protests earlier this week in Egypt, Libya and most recently in Yemen. It was not immediately clear whether Nakoula was the target of a criminal investigation or part of the broader investigation into the deaths of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya during a terrorist attack.".,.."
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It's better laid out in my WSJ post earlier in this string.
Again http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dly-libya-egypt-protest-5.html#post1060907788
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443524904577649891086383820.html

But keep up the good work!
It demonstrates quite well the Arab penchant for conspiracy, especially when JOOOS can be blamed.
You're permanently Discredited by repeating lies even after refuted.
This was easily investigated on the net and even Old hat.
 
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mbig said:
MediaShift . How 'Sam Bacile' Bamboozled the AP, Wall Street Journal Over Anti-Muslim Film | PBS

Or how about AP Itself?

The Associated Press: APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker

APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker[b
By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press – 17 hours ago


But it's better laid out in my WSJ post earlier in this string.
Again http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...dly-libya-egypt-protest-5.html#post1060907788

But keep up the good work!
It demonstrates quite well the Arab penchant for conspiracy, especially when JOOOS can be blamed.
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Damn those sneaky Christians! They really show up these monomaniacal Jews from the normal ones.l
 
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danarhea said:
The producer CLAIMED he was a Jew. He is not, and he will most likely be going to prison for probation violation too. That makes him an idiot too.
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Good so there is no conspiracy or 'motives' behind the associated press reporting the statements of the producer?
"Just what the hell are their motives in attempting to attribute this to an Israeli?" is clearly implying they are intentionally blaming 'the Jooos' to quote mbig as opposed to them not confirming the producer's own claims due to their poor journalistic standard.

mbig said:
But keep up the good work!
It demonstrates quite well the Arab penchant for conspiracy, especially when JOOOS can be blamed.
You're permanently Discredited by repeating lies even after refuted.
This was easily investigated on the net and even old hat.
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Actually this just shows how much your comprehension skills are lacking, and of course your obsessive need to find conspiracy and anti antisemitism behind everything that is remotely associated with an Arab. And am the one permanently discredited? just rofl.
I never disputed the now known fact that the producer is a cowardly liar.

Gardener said:
And, of course, we all know how you Arabs are when it comes to Jews.
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Overtly nice and extremely hospitable?
 
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danarhea said:
Read the link I provided. Sam Bacile is not an Isreali Jew. The name is an alias for a Coptic Christian who did not want to be identified, because a condition of the terms of his probation for bank fraud is not to do ANYTHING on the internet.
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The issue is not whether he is a Jew. Or a Coptic. My point is that Obama supporters fomented this crap so as to be an available excuse for the violence. They saw the anti-American violence coming, and then created a false-flag operation so as to use this film as an excuse.

Otherwise this stupid amateur film never sees the light of day.
 
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