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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    I walk the talk. I volunteered paratrooper during war and I conduct development research in Africa.
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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    I haven't seen anybody doing this. What I have seen is people being extra-super-duper careful not to overgeneralize or offend, so could you link me up with some examples please?
    Did you read the quote I used in the post or just the stuff I wrote?

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.
    Does that mean that the entire Christian community is responsible for the actions of the Ku Klux Klan or the Arian Nation? Are all Catholics responsible for the behavior for the Catholics in Ireland who are feuding with the Protestants? Are all Protestants responsible for their side of that conflict? Are all Christians responsible for the language being used by the Tea Party?

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't hold all Muslims responsible. But Islamics are different than Muslims, right? Islam carries a connotation of 12th caliphate and world domination. It also carries the connotation of State power behind religious beliefs. When I use the term Islamic, I mean those predisposed to terrorism, dictators, theocracies and such for the purpose of world domination.

    If we can have Jews separate from Zionists, then we can have Muslims separate from Islamists?

    But that is a matter of semantics. My point is that as long as tyranny reigns anywhere over us, there will not be peace. As long as my brothers and sisters remain brutally oppressed by genocidal theocracies, people can take their peace and shove it up their ass.
    Muslim is the label given for the people of that region, Islam is the name of the religion.

    Also, I agree we should fight tyranny but we must be sure we have the consent of the majority of any country before we intervene. If we believe in our ideals then we have a responsibility to let countries figure out for themselves how they want to fight.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

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    You have a popular mainstream israeli mainstream news source haaretz, confirming the filmmaker is an israeli.


    Also the L.A. Times and CNN and other credible mainstream media sources also confirm this.

    I think it's pretty pathetic that you think an Egyptian would be behind this film.
    Does it matter? Israel has freedom of speech as well. What he did was inflammatory to some degree but not really much worse than how the average Family Guy episode mocks Christians/Jesus. If you want to throw religion and nationality into this then maybe we should all highlight that the barbarians that vandalized and murdered people were Egyptian Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, attacking a foreign nation's embassy and killing foreign diplomats is far worse than making a low quality video poking fun at Muhammad.
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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    He's not an Israeli. He's a Coptic Christian Egyptian con man and fraudster...
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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    You have a popular mainstream israeli mainstream news source haaretz, confirming the filmmaker is an israeli.

    Also the L.A. Times and CNN and other credible mainstream media sources also confirm this.

    I think it's pretty pathetic that you think an Egyptian would be behind this film.
    September 13, 2012
    Who is 'Sam Bacile'?
    Bret Stephens - WSJ
    New intriguing leads on the man who made the world's most deadly movie trailer.
    Who is 'Sam Bacile'? - WSJ.com

    "..Since then questions have swirled about the identity of the film-maker. On Tuesday, the Journal spoke to a man who claimed to be the director and called himself Sam Bacile. He described himself as a 52-year-old Israeli-American real-estate developer, called Islam a "cancer," and said the film had been funded by Jewish donors to the tune of $5 million.

    But as the Journal reports, there are no records of a "Sam Bacile" either in the U.S. or Israel. The Journal also reports that "Sam Bacile's" phone number was traced to an address in Cerritos, Calif., which appears to be the home of somebody named Nakoula Bassely Nakoula. Along with a "Sam Basselley," Mr. Nakoula is listed as one of the film's producers. In a conversation with the Associated Press, he denied being Sam Bacile but claimed to be a Coptic Christian and the manager of the company that had produced the film. Records indicate that a man named Nakoula Nakoula recently served a prison sentence for bank fraud. Among his known aliases are Mark Basseley Youssef and Youssef M. Basseley.

    With help from a tipster, I've done some sleuthing myself and come up with a few intriguing leads. .... Most of the written exchanges on the page are in Arabic, and most of Sam Bassel's Facebook friends appear to be of Arab origin as well. Also listed as a Favorite on the page is a link to a Facebook group called "I am Egyptian."

    The "Sam Bassel" Facebook page abruptly vanished yesterday. But I caught a screen grab of the page before it disappeared.



    Note the name under the "Work and Education" tag: "matthew mtta dba," in Norwalk Calif. A Google search finds that a legal notice for a Fictitious Business Name Statement was posted in the Nov. 4-10, 2010 issue of the San Gabriel Valley Examiner, on page B11. It reads: "The following person(s) doing business as: MATTHEW MTTA" and gives the registrant's name as "Abanob Basseley," along with an address in Norwalk.

    So who is Abanob Basseley? Yesterday I called a number listed to that name with an address in Cerritos, CA—the same town in which Nakoula Nakoula apparently lives. The number was no longer in service, so the hunt goes on. But a few tentative conclusions:

    Sam Bacile/Bassel is NOT an Israeli-American, and his attempt to pass himself off as one is a potentially deadly Slander. His film—if there really is any footage beyond the 14-minute clip—did not cost anything like $5 million to make. There is no cabal of Jewish donors who put up the money. Sam Bassel, or whoever used that name as a Facebook alias, speaks and writes fluent Arabic and likely has an Egyptian background. The name Abanob Basseley is, as one Egyptian friend tells me, as typically Coptic as, say, Mohammad is Muslim or Shlomo is Jewish. (St. Abonoub is a Coptic saint named after an Egyptian child martyred by the Romans.) The fact that the film was publicly promoted by Morris Sadek, the head of the National American Coptic Assembly, also suggests a Coptic connection to the film.

    No doubt we'll learn more about "Sam Bacile" in the days to come. What effect, if any, an accurate account of the video clip's true origins will have on the protesters rampaging in Arab capitals remains to be seen.
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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    If we could get everyone who owns a computer to draw a few pictures of Muhammad and post them all on the same day - that'd pretty much expose this muslim radicals gone wild excuse.

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