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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It has nothing to do with this.
    Individuals personal radical religious beliefs have to do with it. Egypt is ran by a coalition gov that includes Islamisits, the Egpytian gov is not promoting people hit the streets and go kill Americans in the embassy. Soo is Libya.
    This violence is perpetuated by the same islamic extremist mindset as drives Hamas, Hez and AlQ. Personal beliefs do not give rise to rioting because of a movie in the west. Do you propose that western personal beliefs are less than Islamic personal beliefs? I realize that the governments (prehaps excepting Egypt) are not behind the attacks, but brainwashing nutbags are. Why do those brainwashing nutbags have power? Because the physical infrastructure (including a free press) is not yet there in regard to democracy, and the social infrastructure is not there for liberal western democracy.

    Blaming a movie instead of the oppressors is nonsense. Do we blame pink ribbons for the demonstrations of Westboro Baptist? No, we don't, we blame it's leaders. Why? Because blaming inanimate objects is stupid. People are to blame. Oppressors are to blame. Tyranny is to blame.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Horsemen View Post
    I don't blame the guy for going into hiding. he wants to witness the fallout behind the facts he presented. Any of you would do the same thing.
    Are you serious?

    He made a really vulgar movie about the prophet to incite Muslims and blames it on Israelis.

    That's pretty damned low down.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas_Smith View Post
    Are you sure we have risen above anything when people in this country are holding the entire Islam community responsible for the actions of a few?
    The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Islamic community is responsible. It's their responsibility to put an end to this clownage. If they don't, then it can only mean that they are in agreement with the actions of the crazies.
    Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas_Smith View Post
    Are you sure we have risen above anything when people in this country are holding the entire Islam community responsible for the actions of a few?
    I don't hold all Muslims responsible. But Islamics are different than Muslims, right? Islam carries a connotation of 12th caliphate and world domination. It also carries the connotation of State power behind religious beliefs. When I use the term Islamic, I mean those predisposed to terrorism, dictators, theocracies and such for the purpose of world domination.

    If we can have Jews separate from Zionists, then we can have Muslims separate from Islamists?

    But that is a matter of semantics. My point is that as long as tyranny reigns anywhere over us, there will not be peace. As long as my brothers and sisters remain brutally oppressed by genocidal theocracies, people can take their peace and shove it up their ass.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.
    It's not worth much, because after his lipservice, he instructed Egyptian diplomats to persue leagal action here in the states.

    With all the inaction from the Islamic community--the riots continue in Cairo with nothing more than token action by Egyptian authorities--means that they agree with what the goof asses are doing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Every once in a while, we should double-check just too see if those oppressed like animals can rise above. It's further proof that we must becomes actively involved in dismantling Islamic governments, or we will continue to have a huge portion of the earth inhabited by such vile ignorance.
    Personally, I don't favor dismantling any government, let alone Islamic ones. In Islamic countries, it's very difficult to separate the religion from the politics, and what you would likely end up with is people who have their entire way of life uprooted and turned upside down, which is not good for stability. This type of undertaking is something better left for evolution in thought to take care of, not forced from outsiders, as we would quickly be viewed as the enemy.
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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Extremists more often than not are more vocal and influential than scores of benign followers of any given ideology or religion. For what it's worth though, Morsi, the Egyptian President condemned the acts nearly immediately.
    He condemned the acts as cowardly and criminal.

    Looks like this Bacile character may go back to jail for violating his parole.

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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This violence is perpetuated by the same islamic extremist mindset as drives Hamas, Hez and AlQ.
    Yes....
    But none of these are in power in the two major regions where the protests are taking place (Egypt and Libya)


    Personal beliefs do not give rise to rioting because of a movie in the west.
    Yes they do. When you are a radical Islamic extremist and believe that its a cause to riot because someone makes fun of your prophet or because someone made a ****ty movie about it.
    That is a personal belief. True they may of got these ideas from some radical imam or someone else but still they have the freedom to choose their beliefs, and it still makes it a personal belief.

    Do you propose that western personal beliefs are less than Islamic personal beliefs?
    Uhhh no..

    I realize that the governments (prehaps excepting Egypt) are not behind the attacks, but brainwashing nutbags are.
    Yes....


    Why do those brainwashing nutbags have power?
    Because people follow them.

    Because the physical infrastructure (including a free press) is not yet there in regard to democracy, and the social infrastructure is not there for liberal western democracy.
    Thats not true. You can have radical nut bags in any form of government.


    Blaming a movie instead of the oppressors is nonsense.
    This isnt about oppression. Its happening across the middle east true, which just so happens to be less free than we are. But that does not make it about oppression, its just their religious views are an extreme radical form of Islam

    Do we blame pink ribbons for the demonstrations of Westboro Baptist? No, we don't, we blame it's leaders.
    Terrible analogy/

    Why? Because blaming inanimate objects is stupid. People are to blame. Oppressors are to blame. Tyranny is to blame.
    Well based on that knowledge since we have the KKK, the New Black Panthers, abortion clinic bombers, and Westboro then the blame is on our country because we are oppressing them and igniting tryanny.

    World peace through world freedom. I refuse world peace until ALL of my brothers and sisters are free.
    Ok.....


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    Re: Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt pro

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hey man- where ya been? Aren't you aware that films now kill people?
    It could be true, when I saw Reefer Madness I laughed so much I thought I was high...

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