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    "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    I was driving home from work this morning listening to NPR and hear a story about this film and the story behind it, and what I heard was quite shocking and made me sick and angry.

    Where to start? Well firstly let me explain a few things, I'm going to trash this film and its producers and vile humans bent on creating violence and intolerance in the world for selfish and petty ends, and who probably take a sick pleasure in angering and degrading others. However, what I'm not going to is deny their freedom of speech which despite all the sickening aspects of their film they of course always have that right to say whatever they wish. Also, none of this should be considered a justification on the part of those who used this film as a reason for violence as much as it understandably angers them and even though many reports state its been used and blown out of proportion by extremists/fundamentalists in the Arab world as an excuse for their own petty political goals, like by claiming it is a big budget Hollywood movie to be shown across theaters in the USA. For example several reports state the riots in Cairo have been motivated by Salafists, a group devoted to an extreme fundamental vision of Islam, who see the west as their enemy and would love an opportunity like to cause violence and I'd bet my bank account to get someone killed by an American defending the embassy to create a martyr and another propaganda story to increase support for their movement.

    Apparently according to several experts who have seen this trailer, it the film has been deliberately made to be as insulting and degrading to Muslims as possible. Picturing Mohammed and the story of the Quran as a combination of the worst horrible inaccurate stories about the prophet throughout history, picturing him as a homosexual, child rapist, animal rapist, baptizer of animals, liar, thief, cheater, as a man who prances around with the most stereotypical "gay voice" you've ever heard, etc, etc.

    Anti-Islam Film Crafted To Provoke, Experts Say : NPR

    Going further its becoming clearer that some of actors and crew hired to produce this film had no idea what they were actually getting into, being told they were filming a movie called "Desert Warriors" about the adventures of a tribe of nomads in Egypt roughly 2,000 years ago.

    Gawker has an interview with Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., who appears in the film.
    She said the film makes her "sick" because she was never told this was the movie she was making. In fact, the lines she delivered were dubbed over to insert the offensive and blasphemous lines.
    Gawker reports:"The script she was given was titled simply Desert Warriors." 'It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago,' Garcia said. 'It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything.' "In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed."
    American actors and actresses who appeared in "Innocence of Muslims" issued a joint statement Wednesday saying they were misled about the project and alleged that some of their dialogue was crudely dubbed during post-production. In the English-language version of the trailer, direct references to Muhammad appear to be the result of post-production changes to the movie. Either actors aren't seen when the name "Muhammad" is spoken in the overdubbed sound, or they appear to be mouthing something else as the name of the prophet is spoken. "The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer," said the statement, obtained by the Los Angeles Times. "We are 100 percent not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."
    What We Know About 'Sam Bacile,' The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR

    California Man Confirms Role In Anti-Islam Film : NPR

    The producer, who hasn't even been identified with 100% certainty, is an unknown perhaps a elderly Jewish man in California or a Coptic Christian Egyptian. But the man can't even come forward and claim his own message, preferring to lob his obscenities from the safety of anonymity where no one can challenge him directly, a complete coward if you ask me. And it appears the film's producers are not without a criminal past, one being convicted of bank fraud in 2010 and the other belonging to a Christian hate group.


    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.
    It quoted Klein as saying he believes that California is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells "who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can."
    In his brief interview with the AP, Bacile called Islam a cancer and said he intended the film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

    Nakoula, who talked guardedly about his role, pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and ordered not to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.
    Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams said Nakoula set up fraudulent bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers; then, checks from those accounts would be deposited into other bogus accounts from which Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.
    So my point is simply this: Its a sickening and horrible act to create speech with the deliberate attempt to provoke someone, or in this case a whole religion, to anger and violence. And while these men certainly have the freedom to produce this film, although not to manipulate their actors and crew, they should be seen for exactly who they are, as being trying to cause violence from the shadows, people who are forced to manipulate others because their message would never stand up to any but the most equally ridiculous critics.

    Likewise, the Muslims who were allowed themselves to be provoked, and the groups who used this as propaganda to manipulate others into violence have no one to blame but themselves for their own violence and they must be held accountable for their actions. Nothing justifies their actions.

    I challenge everyone to stop defending these people, quickly acknowledge their right to free speech and then do nothing but trash the hate spewing, instigators of violence and cowardly worms they really are. Men who thought their petty little games were worth the violence they surely knew may come from their actions, which resulted in the death of four Americans. If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    I heard that retard-o "preacher" in FL, the Koran burner, wants to show the film in his church. When asked about the possible sexually graphic content of the film, he paused, and said he might reconsider, because as a Christian, he opposes pornography.

    Religion is the dumbest, most illogical waste of time a person can get involved in.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post

    Religion is the dumbest, most illogical waste of time a person can get involved in.
    It really isn't religion, per se, since it is the approach to religion that is problematical. The real issue is of belief without reason, and the dogmatism and rigid mindset that precipitates the intolerance. These are human characteristics that can be manifested in many ways that are not necessarily religious, such as political outlooks or the blind acceptance of social mores.

    We are a socialized animal, yet are blessed with just enough intelligence to think independently of our instinct. It is those who are so overly socialized that they demand ultra-conformity who are the problem here, and these people are not limited to the religious.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    The USA mass media has already decided the motivation for the US embassy attacks? a film?

    COuld not possibly be the fascist US foreign military policies of invasion, slaughter of civilians and theft of their resources

    Oh no ladies and gentlemen

    Its due to a film

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    The USA mass media has already decided the motivation for the US embassy attacks? a film?

    COuld not possibly be the fascist US foreign military policies of invasion, slaughter of civilians and theft of their resources

    Oh no ladies and gentlemen

    Its due to a film
    "Fascist". Lol. You've chosen your username well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.
    It is a lack of moral reasoning laced with a huge amount of cultural self loathing that looks to blame anything that might be associated with "us" while excusing anything associated with "them" in such a way that the responsibility for an action by an individual in the defended group is transferred to a person in the targeted.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    "Fascist". Lol. You've chosen your username well.
    Some of the children here certainly do like to act out, don't they?
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    "Fascist". Lol. You've chosen your username well.
    the three pillars of fascism to emerge from the 20th century are Bolshevism, Nazism and corporatism

    And we all know what the USA stands for on the corporate front dont we ladies and gentlemen?

    Seems like you should invest in a dictionary or perhaps even a history book or two - rather than spending time watching Hollywood films which you define as documentaries and getting your moral compass bearings from CNN and the Murdoch press leaches

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    That might be the stupidest movie ever made if meant to be serious, best if meant as a comedy! Its as if Jim Abrahms and David Zucker did the story of Mohammed!

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