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"Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

sharon said:
The one that has been pulled was about 13 minutes and it was really vulgar and insulting.
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I just thought it was stupid! Cant believe people are taking that"movie" seriously.
 
digsbe said:
And? Does being "vulgar and insulting" justify vandalizing and murdering people?
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I don't have a problem with people protesting an insulting or offensive film.. In this case 20 AQ guys showed up with RPGs.

Two different groups with different objectives.

They will be hunted down.
 
The planning that went into the attach on the embassy began long before this video surfaced.


Now they are talking talks of curtailing free speech on the net, in an effort to not offend the poor, thin skinned folks of other cultures.

Violence is not caused by literature, or by videos, or even by speeches. Violence is caused by people being violent. You can say that inciting violence can be achieved via speech, but I can counter that by saying simply that EVERYTHING is offensive to SOMEONE.

At SOME point, we, as human ****ing beings, have get past this ****. Do you see me shooting people, burning up buildings, etc, every time someone ****s on or burns the US flag? Or every time I see people on the news, or on the net, shouting DOWN WITH THE USA? Calling me a monster, evil and bent? Do I give a ****? No. I care far more about the insulting things that are said to my face on a daily basis as a result of working in the customer service industry. And I don't get all butt hurt about THAT, either.

Toughen up, folks. Accept the reality that, someone, somewhere, is going to draw a picture of Muhammed, and that, someone, somewhere, is going to piss all over this holy book or that, and that, someone, somewhere, fantasizes about making you eat pork, or cow, or whatever animal to hold to be sacred or base.
 
Higgins86 said:
I just thought it was stupid! Cant believe people are taking that"movie" seriously.
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What I saw was gross.. portrayed Muhammad as a pedophile, rapist, thief .. and so on.

While we might find is so asinine as to be funny.. Muslims would be incensed if any of the patriarchs were portrayed that way.

Most of the Muslims I know would turn up their noses and walk away... but the Egyptian Christian knew what he was doing.. His buddy, Klein is also a Christian who hates Muslims and runs a radio show.. He's a Terry Jones type.
 
X Factor said:
I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.
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It's very odd that those two things are mutually exclusive. Too bad someone can't find it all sad to varying degrees. But we all have to make a choice, and it can't be both. C'est la vie. :shrug:


The guy who made the movie is scum and the people who lost their senses were his tools and fools.
What I kept thinking of the people who lost their ****:

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What maroons.

From what I have heard, it's not even quality trolling.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes I have, I also know that the only good terrorist is a dead one. So, if you want to be a terorrist, take that for whatever it's worth.
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Come on now, Obama kills innocent people all the time with his drones, and you say nothing's wrong with that or him being a terrorist. Obama said the Afghanistan was the just war, but you recall we went to war in Afghanistan because of about 10 terrorist flew planes into our buildings. Obama then is surely a terrorist according to your definition.
 
Born Free said:
Come on now, Obama kills innocent people all the time with his drones, and you say nothing's wrong with that or him being a terrorist. Obama said the Afghanistan was the just war, but you recall we went to war in Afghanistan because of about 10 terrorist flew planes into our buildings. Obama then is surely a terrorist according to your definition.
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Yes, let's compare. Drone attacks have killed innocent people, but innocent people weren't the main targets.

Compared to your comment of:

OK, they murdered 4 of our own, so now lets go and murder 400 of theirs. Now I like that idea.
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You INTENTIONALLY want to kill innocent people and you want to do it in GREATER numbers. That is the definition of a terrorist.

So again, the only good terrorist is a dead one. And if you want to be a terrorist, take that comment however you want to.
 
Born Free said:
What was or is Afghanistan. There was only 10 or so terrorists that flew planes into our buildings.
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The only reason we went into Afghanistan in the first place was they were harboring Bin Ladin. Had they turned him over we wouldn't have gone in there. So yes, the war on terror is not a war on a nation state.
 
Born Free said:
What was or is Afghanistan. There was only 10 or so terrorists that flew planes into our buildings.
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So you think we should declare war on Libya now?

Even though the government had nothing to do with that attack.
 
Klown said:
the three pillars of fascism to emerge from the 20th century are Bolshevism, Nazism and corporatism

And we all know what the USA stands for on the corporate front dont we ladies and gentlemen?

Seems like you should invest in a dictionary or perhaps even a history book or two - rather than spending time watching Hollywood films which you define as documentaries and getting your moral compass bearings from CNN and the Murdoch press leaches
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Definition of FASCISM
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>



Bolshevism, Nazism. Yep. Capitalism... yeah, not so much. In fact, Capitalism is the polar opposite of fascism.
 
Bodhisattva said:
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Bolshevism, Nazism. Yep. Capitalism... yeah, not so much. In fact, Capitalism is the polar opposite of fascism.
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Capitalism is not a political doctrine - its an economic model like the bartering system etc.

I was referring to Corporatism as a form of fascism

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Fiddytree said:
I do not care how offensive a film was, I have no right by God or by law to take my moral outrage and then unleash it against humanity and society, causing actual mayhem and destruction of human life. I am even less sympathetic when you have absolutely no proximity toward the film or the filmmakers, or its promoters. My outrage against the filmmakers is fixed. My outrage against the mob increases with the increased destruction it delivers to humanity. The only ones in control are the mob. That is their choice how to react.
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This issue is actually an interesting near analog to the rape discussions going on somewhat recently, with some admitted differences.

Making a video where you do not call for people to kill other people in no way, shape, or form makes you responsible for people killing other people or riot. You're responsible for your hateful views, your crappy movie, and at best poor decision making at ridiculing a religious figure of a religion which has many members showing an increased inability to be reasonable human beings in such situations. But the ONLY people responsible for mob behavior, for destructive behavior, for murderous behavior, are those CHOOSING to engage in such things. A video does not MAKE you do those things and shouldn't be expected that it will MAKE people act in such a fashion.
 
mbig said:
70% of Egypt just Voted in the Islamo-fascists; Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis.
The always tricky... 'moderate' Islam.
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apdst said:
You make a good point.
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YOU made it 20 months ago.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...mand-end-mubarak-regime-3.html#post1059244810
apdst said:
If the government is overthrown, how long do ya'll think it will be, before the Muslim Brotherhood takes the reins?
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Meanwhile klown continues gratuitously/Obsessively litterng the board with the term/accusation "Fascist". Never appropriately, ie, the (Islamist, Stolen-election, Political-Prisoner, Christian-Oppressing, Holocaust-Denying, Genocide-calling, Gay-Bashing/Executing) Mullahocracy Iran or MB/Salafi Egypt.
Klown you're wearing it out to the point of meaningLessness, and of course accusing the wrong parties.
 
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sharon said:
What I saw was gross.. portrayed Muhammad as a pedophile, rapist, thief .. and so on.
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Did those engaging in Mob activity make a choice to do such, or not?

That's really the issue here. A video did not make them kill people. A video did not make them riot. THEY choose to do that. OTHER muslims know of the video and didn't riot or kill people. There are christians have had mocking things of their religion made and have not rioted and killed people. The variable here is those who are actually DOING the rioting...they are responsible for their actions. The film maker is responsible only for making a reportedly hateful movie.
 
Zyphlin said:
Did those engaging in Mob activity make a choice to do such, or not?

That's really the issue here. A video did not make them kill people. A video did not make them riot. THEY choose to do that. OTHER muslims know of the video and didn't riot or kill people. There are christians have had mocking things of their religion made and have not rioted and killed people. The variable here is those who are actually DOING the rioting...they are responsible for their actions. The film maker is responsible only for making a reportedly hateful movie.
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The protesters didn't bring the RPGs.
 
sharon said:
The protesters didn't bring the RPGs.
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Unless you can show me something making a clear and distinctive difference between the "protestors" and "those who brought RPG's" suggesting that the two groups were not either one in the same, or happily supporting each other and/or working alongside each other, your statement is rather irrelevant to me.

Mind you, I didn't JUST speak about murders either. Those who entered onto OUR sovereign soil of our embassies and stole our property were perpetrating mob like and destructive illegal activity.
 
Zyphlin said:
Unless you can show me something making a clear and distinctive difference between the "protestors" and "those who brought RPG's" suggesting that the two groups were not either one in the same, or happily supporting each other and/or working alongside each other, your statement is rather irrelevant to me.

Mind you, I didn't JUST speak about murders either. Those who entered onto OUR sovereign soil of our embassies and stole our property were perpetrating mob like and destructive illegal activity.
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It was a CONSULATE in Benghazi... I don't know much, but the authorities seem to think the gunmen were a group of 20 who belong to an AQ cell located southeast of Tripoli. 4 have been arrested so far..

Let me explain something to you.. I do NOT have a crystal ball and I wasn't there, so we can discuss this or you can take your snarky attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine.
 
sharon said:
It was a CONSULATE in Benghazi... I don't know much, but the authorities seem to think the gunmen were a group of 20 who belong to an AQ cell located southeast of Tripoli. 4 have been arrested so far..
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CAIRO -- As Egypt's security forces fired tear gas Thursday to disperse rock-throwing crowds near the U.S. Embassy here, President Mohamed Morsi condemned attacks on American missions in his country and Libya.

Two days after protesters scaled the embassy's walls to take down the U.S. flag, hundreds of people clashed with security forces in downtown Cairo. As the scuffles have continued throughout the day, about 70 people have been injured, among them members of security forces, according to the state-run news agency.
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That's egypt. That's people scaling embassy walls and vandalizing US property. That's people, hundreds of people, rioting and clashing with security forces. That's 70 people being injured. That's not just a handful of gunmen. Again, you're strawmanning by responding to me and simply focusing on those that killed the Ambassador, as if that was all I spoke about....it was not. It's the entire aspect...it's not JUST the murders, it's the mob like clashes, it's the entry onto our territory, it's the destructive actions, it's the injured people, etc. Those CHOICES to act in such a way are being made, CHOSEN, by the people actually participating in the mob...not by some guy who made a video.

Let me explain something to you.. I do NOT have a crystal ball and I wasn't there, so we can discuss this or you can take your snarky attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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No, you don't have a crystal ball...neither do I...however it's YOU who made dismissive statements of entire posts with a one liner statement that you presented as fact. If you want to throw something out like that don't be shocked when people expect you to present some kind of verification of such a statement to take you seriously if they don't have some other reason to hold any value to your statements.
 
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I agree with that.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, let's compare. Drone attacks have killed innocent people, but innocent people weren't the main targets.

Compared to your comment of:



You INTENTIONALLY want to kill innocent people and you want to do it in GREATER numbers. That is the definition of a terrorist.

So again, the only good terrorist is a dead one. And if you want to be a terrorist, take that comment however you want to.
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Well gee I'm just trying to kill terrorist like Obama, innocent people are not the target, with Obama's drones he kills innocent people all the time, funny how you give Obama a pass. All I would be doing is killing terrorists and of course like Obama if innocent people get in the way, so be it. But for you liberals anything that Obama does is OK. According to you lefties, Clubgetmo was the best recruiting tool the terrorist ever had, once Obama came into office, it's all of a sudden not a recruiting tool anymore.

And last I could care less what you think of me, if you think I'm a terrorist try come and get me. I'll be waiting.
 
winston53660 said:
So you think we should declare war on Libya now?

Even though the government had nothing to do with that attack.
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Did the Afghanistan government have anything to do with 9-11? Did they organize the attack? Did they declare war on us? Just what did the Afgan government actually do to attack us.
 
I have NO PROBLEM with the film and anyone who says they do should also post their links to their messages criticizing the mountain of anti-Christian, anti-Jew and anti-Atheist films.

How about raging against the evil Monte Python scenes making fun of Catholics?

The film is weak ridicule satire and nothing else. But it also has religious "debate" and does quote some extreme language of the Koran and of how it is applied. I found parts of it quite humous.
 
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Born Free said:
Did the Afghanistan government have anything to do with 9-11? Did they organize the attack? Did they declare war on us? Just what did the Afgan government actually do to attack us.
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They enabled and supported a terrorist organization that attacked us... not that difficult to figure out. Additionally, they did NOTHING to help us attempt to catch the bad guys.
 
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