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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I do not care how offensive a film was, I have no right by God or by law to take my moral outrage and then unleash it against humanity and society, causing actual mayhem and destruction of human life. I am even less sympathetic when you have absolutely no proximity toward the film or the filmmakers, or its promoters. My outrage against the filmmakers is fixed. My outrage against the mob increases with the increased destruction it delivers to humanity. The only ones in control are the mob. That is their choice how to react.
    Our culture is not Arab culture..... They would be incensed if any of the patriarchs were portrayed in such a vulgar fashion.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Our culture is not Arab culture..... They would be incensed if any of the patriarchs were portrayed in such a vulgar fashion.
    Are you somehow suggesting Arab culture doesn't understand the concept of proportional responses and responsibility for one's own actions? Would you presume they need to be protected like children from the implications of their reaction?
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Are you somehow suggesting Arab culture doesn't understand the concept of proportional responses and responsibility for one's own actions? Would you presume they need to be protected like children from the implications of their reaction?
    The rioters were not the killers.

    The killers were a small group acting on orders from al zawahiri. Civilian protesters don't have RPGs at the ready.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The rioters were not the killers.

    The killers were a small group acting on orders from al zawahiri. Civilian protesters don't have RPGs at the ready.
    You don't think storming the gates is disproportionate?
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The rioters were not the killers.

    The killers were a small group acting on orders from al zawahiri. Civilian protesters don't have RPGs at the ready.

    You try to find any excuse to exonerate these people. If a killing was done in the commission of the riot and these people were part of the riots then they are complicit in the killing.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    This seems a little more than criticism, but more of a hate speech to me. Then you say "may" which you admit you have no proof of anything but gladly spew your criticism. Then you make a statement as though it is fact, that it was the film maker that killed the Americans. What BS. Here you are apologizing to the terrorists that actually killed our fellow Americans, by stating if it were not for someone practicing our right of free speech these terrorists would not have killed. You blame the film maker who has the right of free speech for killing fellow Americans in Libya. No that is really something.

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    "trash the hate spewing, instigators of violence and cowardly worms they really are. Men who thought their petty little games were worth the violence they surely knew may come from their actions, which resulted in the death of four Americans. If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America."

    I further recall a cartoonists over in Europe, that was threatened to be killed because he made a simple cartoon about some Muslims.
    Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

    I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

    I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?
    The demonstrators didn't kill anyone.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I'm aware of that, I mean using it against us as a propaganda tool to incite people to violence.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

    I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

    I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?
    Who are your enemies?

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