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"Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

This seems a little more than criticism, but more of a hate speech to me. Then you say "may" which you admit you have no proof of anything but gladly spew your criticism. Then you make a statement as though it is fact, that it was the film maker that killed the Americans. What BS. Here you are apologizing to the terrorists that actually killed our fellow Americans, by stating if it were not for someone practicing our right of free speech these terrorists would not have killed. You blame the film maker who has the right of free speech for killing fellow Americans in Libya. No that is really something.

Wiseone quote:
"trash the hate spewing, instigators of violence and cowardly worms they really are. Men who thought their petty little games were worth the violence they surely knew may come from their actions, which resulted in the death of four Americans. If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America."

I further recall a cartoonists over in Europe, that was threatened to be killed because he made a simple cartoon about some Muslims.

Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?
 
Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?

The demonstrators didn't kill anyone.

Inside the US consulate in Benghazi: material and human damage laid bare | World news | The Guardian
 
Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?

Man you're getting labeled and criticized faster than a post 9/11 liberal asking why on earth we're rolling into Iraq after Afghanistan attacked us. Godspeed.
 
Apologizing? I'm not an apologist unless you think joining the Army translate to an apology. The point I was trying to make was that just because you can say something because of free speech, doesn't give you the right for that speech to free of criticism. I am just as free to criticize this message as he is to make it.

I blame the film makers for knowingly giving ammunition to our enemies, and I blame our enemies for using it against us. Make sense?

Who are your enemies?
 
I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.

I agree.It amazes me how many people toss the salad of these terrorists,murders and other Islamofascists going oh "we shouldn't offend them". The only people responsible for the embassy murders are the murderers themselves and no one else.The scum that murdered the Embassy workers are just degenerate pieces of **** looking for any excuse they can to murder innocent people and to suppress the thoughts of others.


Before some dip**** accuses me of islamophia or some other nonsense of trying to offend or paint all Muslims as terrorists. Yes I know that not all Muslims are terrorists and that not all Muslims are fanatics. So when I say Islamofascists or terrorists I am talking about the degenerate scum that murder embassy workers or send death threats to anyone who 'offends them'.
 
Where am I not standing up for the principle of the first amendment? I am perfectly able to call these people what they are without denying them their right to say whatever they want. And where am I not condemning the people who carried out any violence? I said they were responsible and had no one to blame but themselves and nothing justified their actions. Did you ever read my post?

Also I should mention its looking like the deaths in Libya are unrelated to the film, but that an armed group who had already planned an attack on the embassy used the crowd protesting the film as cover to move in and engage the embassy walls. That would make those deaths unrelated to the film at least in terms of what motivated the attacks.

BBC News - Meeting Libya's Ansar al-Sharia



I totally agree.



You're right Gitmo is a recruiting tool, but bring it up here is a total Red Herring. Your line of logic is basically "Because Obama never closed Gitmo, and the left doesn't complain about it, and because its a propaganda tool, that I can't complain about giving the enemy another propaganda too." Sorry but my opinions aren't dependent on what the "Left" or Obama says. Also our Forefathers would recognize my right to be pissed off at this guy as much as his right to piss people off with his speech, I don't know how many ****ing times I have to say I'm not in any way shape or form saying anyone doesn't have the right to free speech, but simply having the right to free speech doesn't mean you have the right for that speech to be free of criticism.



The evidence is in the NPR articles which where the result of an investigation by their reporters into who the producer was since he used a fake name. You've commented on a story which you clearly haven't read and made yourself out to be an idiot by denying something clearly stated in the story, congratulations. So yes the man may be an elderly Jewish man, or perhaps he's a Egyptian Coptic Christian, or perhaps he doesn't exist at all and the film was produced by 2 or more people jointly and they decided to use this one fake name for the producer role.

By the way I hope to Christ you aren't suggesting any anti-Semitic feelings on my part.



I never said that and you know I didn't. Go **** yourself dude

Go **** myself? I'm not going to go **** myself. I'm going to call it like I see it.
 
I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.


Exactly that!

I absolutely agree with you X Factor! :thumbs:
 
The rioters were not the killers.

The killers were a small group acting on orders from al zawahiri. Civilian protesters don't have RPGs at the ready.

The protestors are just as responsbile for the murders as anyone.
 
Who are your enemies?

In this context I'm talking about the Salafists in Egypt who used this film as a propaganda tool, their beliefs are fundamental and extreme and they view the entire West as their enemy. And I'd bet my bottom dollar they were just hoping someone would get killed trying to climb over that embassy wall, or someone actually inside the compound, and turn it into an even bigger propaganda piece.
 
Some unknown Ocala redneck from Florida burned a Koran causing protests in by hardliners in the Islamic world.

That must be it...I'm now encouraging the mob by criticizing the individual that came out with the movie. So apparently you believe individuals can have influence on others actions...but not when it comes to the film that was inentionally offensive.

With racist language like that, you promote, encourage and justify the actions of the crazies.
 
Originally Posted by X Factor
I just don't understand the mindset that reserves the strongest criticism for those who make a video (OMG!!! it's offensive) rather than those who stormed an embassy and killed people.

Propaganda to a promote a pity party for Islam and Sharia Law. it's deeper than just a raid and people killed.
 
Everyone keeps pointing to the propaganda tool used to stir up the crowd, the film has little to do with it except as an excuse. These people hate us, and will continue this crap. Are there some instances of Christians in this day and age rioting, and attacking government facilities when they are offended? Why the hell are we so damned worried about hurting the feelings of people that couldn't care less whether we apologize or not....Clue all....THEY HATE US! the film is an excuse, and the remedy to this is for America to get strong, and get with the damned program!
 
Everyone keeps pointing to the propaganda tool used to stir up the crowd, the film has little to do with it except as an excuse. These people hate us, and will continue this crap. Are there some instances of Christians in this day and age rioting, and attacking government facilities when they are offended? Why the hell are we so damned worried about hurting the feelings of people that couldn't care less whether we apologize or not....Clue all....THEY HATE US! the film is an excuse, and the remedy to this is for America to get strong, and get with the damned program!

Who is they?
 
Who is they?


What? Are you kidding? Are you so enamored with bending on one knee to the enemies of this country that you will do their bidding by trying to muddy who "They" are? They man, they! The radical muslim pigs! I wipe my feet on radical Islam!
 
Propaganda to a promote a pity party for Islam and Sharia Law. it's deeper than just a raid and people killed.

Most muslims don't give a damn what some preacher in Florida does or what some film maker does.Its the hardliners and other crazies that are making a big stink out of this film.
 
What? Are you kidding? Are you so enamored with bending on one knee to the enemies of this country that you will do their bidding by trying to muddy who "They" are? They man, they! The radical muslim pigs! I wipe my feet on radical Islam!

"they" is never specific enough, who are we talking about here. Is there a name for this group, or is it just Muslim extremists in general?

Don't accuse me of bending a knee to the enemies of this country because I simply want to know who you consider an enemy with a tad bit of detail, consider it "positive identification before engaging"
 
"they" is never specific enough, who are we talking about here. Is there a name for this group, or is it just Muslim extremists in general?

Don't accuse me of bending a knee to the enemies of this country because I simply want to know who you consider an enemy with a tad bit of detail, consider it "positive identification before engaging"


I call it like I see it, and if I see it as bending knee, that isn't my problem...Radical Islam is, and has been at war with the West, and Israel, and the US namely for decades. If you still don't know who Radical Islam is, that again is your problem.
 
Demonstrators generally don't have RPGs on hand.

Looks like these protestors did.

The protestors in Tehran had weapons and use them to storm the US Embassy. I reckon that wasn't their fault--the protestors--either? America made them do it?
 
In this context I'm talking about the Salafists in Egypt who used this film as a propaganda tool, their beliefs are fundamental and extreme and they view the entire West as their enemy. And I'd bet my bottom dollar they were just hoping someone would get killed trying to climb over that embassy wall, or someone actually inside the compound, and turn it into an even bigger propaganda piece.

The Salafis are all over the world and are not restricted to Egypt. In fact the Muslim Brotherhood calls themselves Salafi.

It is primitive, ignorant, and the fastest growing religion in the world.

Now we can can condemn those who are critical of Muslims or Islam and hope that they leave us alone, or we can confront them with our freedoms and tell them straight out that we do not accept their barbaric ways and if they kill 10 of us we will kill 100 of them.. We have a clear choice here because, no matter how we respond, they want to destroy us. Movies don;t matter to them one bit.

Ben Franklin said something like, "Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately" and that is certainly the case with these religious thugs. I

t is our job to defend our filmmakers, authors, philosophers, writers, artists, opinion-makers, etc, and not condemn them for speaking their minds.

That is called preemptive surrender. And if it's not it should be.
 
I call it like I see it, and if I see it as bending knee, that isn't my problem...Radical Islam is, and has been at war with the West, and Israel, and the US namely for decades. If you still don't know who Radical Islam is, that again is your problem.

You can't define it can you? Personally I have a pretty good idea of how to classify groups to reflect the uniqueness of the situation, I'm just asking for a definition that would help separate the radicals from the rest of them. I don't think you know what you're talking about at all, you talk about "radical Islam" but you have no idea what radical Islam is or who and what groups belong in that category.

So I'll ask again, who are the radical Islamists?
 
The Salafis are all over the world and are not restricted to Egypt. In fact the Muslim Brotherhood calls themselves Salafi.

It is primitive, ignorant, and the fastest growing religion in the world.

Now we can can condemn those who are critical of Muslims or Islam and hope that they leave us alone, or we can confront them with our freedoms and tell them straight out that we do not accept their barbaric ways and if they kill 10 of us we will kill 100 of them.. We have a clear choice here because, no matter how we respond, they want to destroy us. Movies don;t matter to them one bit.

Ben Franklin said something like, "Gentlemen we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately" and that is certainly the case with these religious thugs. I

t is our job to defend our filmmakers, authors, philosophers, writers, artists, opinion-makers, etc, and not condemn them for speaking their minds.

That is called preemptive surrender. And if it's not it should be.

Muslims want to destroy us? How ignorant are you?
 
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