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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    I heard that retard-o "preacher" in FL, the Koran burner, wants to show the film in his church. When asked about the possible sexually graphic content of the film, he paused, and said he might reconsider, because as a Christian, he opposes pornography.

    Religion is the dumbest, most illogical waste of time a person can get involved in.
    Jones has no money.. This 'film' cost 5 million dollars.

    The protesters were NOT the ones that killed the ambassador and embassy staff.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The producer, who hasn't even been identified with 100% certainty, is an unknown perhaps a elderly Jewish man in California or a Coptic Christian Egyptian.
    Or perhaps a Muslim, keeping in mind that Islamic leasers added to those Danish cartoons which drove Muslims wild.

    It's seems you'll easily buy the idea that an elderly Jew was somehow involved, despite the lack of any evidence.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I was driving home from work this morning listening to NPR and hear a story about this film and the story behind it, and what I heard was quite shocking and made me sick and angry.

    Where to start? Well firstly let me explain a few things, I'm going to trash this film and its producers and vile humans bent on creating violence and intolerance in the world for selfish and petty ends, and who probably take a sick pleasure in angering and degrading others. However, what I'm not going to is deny their freedom of speech which despite all the sickening aspects of their film they of course always have that right to say whatever they wish. Also, none of this should be considered a justification on the part of those who used this film as a reason for violence as much as it understandably angers them and even though many reports state its been used and blown out of proportion by extremists/fundamentalists in the Arab world as an excuse for their own petty political goals, like by claiming it is a big budget Hollywood movie to be shown across theaters in the USA. For example several reports state the riots in Cairo have been motivated by Salafists, a group devoted to an extreme fundamental vision of Islam, who see the west as their enemy and would love an opportunity like to cause violence and I'd bet my bank account to get someone killed by an American defending the embassy to create a martyr and another propaganda story to increase support for their movement.

    Apparently according to several experts who have seen this trailer, it the film has been deliberately made to be as insulting and degrading to Muslims as possible. Picturing Mohammed and the story of the Quran as a combination of the worst horrible inaccurate stories about the prophet throughout history, picturing him as a homosexual, child rapist, animal rapist, baptizer of animals, liar, thief, cheater, as a man who prances around with the most stereotypical "gay voice" you've ever heard, etc, etc.

    Anti-Islam Film Crafted To Provoke, Experts Say : NPR

    Going further its becoming clearer that some of actors and crew hired to produce this film had no idea what they were actually getting into, being told they were filming a movie called "Desert Warriors" about the adventures of a tribe of nomads in Egypt roughly 2,000 years ago.





    What We Know About 'Sam Bacile,' The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR

    California Man Confirms Role In Anti-Islam Film : NPR

    The producer, who hasn't even been identified with 100% certainty, is an unknown perhaps a elderly Jewish man in California or a Coptic Christian Egyptian. But the man can't even come forward and claim his own message, preferring to lob his obscenities from the safety of anonymity where no one can challenge him directly, a complete coward if you ask me. And it appears the film's producers are not without a criminal past, one being convicted of bank fraud in 2010 and the other belonging to a Christian hate group.





    So my point is simply this: Its a sickening and horrible act to create speech with the deliberate attempt to provoke someone, or in this case a whole religion, to anger and violence. And while these men certainly have the freedom to produce this film, although not to manipulate their actors and crew, they should be seen for exactly who they are, as being trying to cause violence from the shadows, people who are forced to manipulate others because their message would never stand up to any but the most equally ridiculous critics.

    Likewise, the Muslims who were allowed themselves to be provoked, and the groups who used this as propaganda to manipulate others into violence have no one to blame but themselves for their own violence and they must be held accountable for their actions. Nothing justifies their actions.

    I challenge everyone to stop defending these people, quickly acknowledge their right to free speech and then do nothing but trash the hate spewing, instigators of violence and cowardly worms they really are. Men who thought their petty little games were worth the violence they surely knew may come from their actions, which resulted in the death of four Americans. If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America.
    Nevermind the violent and intolerant human garbage the attacked and murded innocent, unarmed people. It's not their fault. Right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Jones has no money.. This 'film' cost 5 million dollars.

    The protesters were NOT the ones that killed the ambassador and embassy staff.
    How in the hell did they get dead? Did they kill themselves?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    I thank the OP for prefacing his post wth the fact that ths does not excuse the act of Murder...
    But Spare us the Leftist NPR Apologism for it.
    The deaths were not the Fllmakers fault, either in the making, or in the local incitement, nor in the Pretext for Murder of the even more radicalized muslims who Used the protest.

    Libya Attack Said To Be 2-Part Militant Assault
    By OSAMA ALFITORY 09/13/12 11:37 AM ET
    Libya Attack Said To Be 2-Part Militant Assault
    BENGHAZI, Libya -- A senior security official says the attack that killed four Americans in Libya, including the U.S. ambassador, was an organized two-part operation by heavily armed militants that included a precisely timed raid on a supposedly secret safe house just as Libyan and U.S. security forces were arriving to rescue evacuated consulate staff.

    Wanis al-Sharef, eastern Libya's deputy interior minister, said on Thursday the attacks were suspected to have been timed to mark the 9/11 anniversary and that the Militants USED civilians protesting an anti-Islam film as COVER for their action.

    He said Ambassador Chris Stevens and another American were killed in the consulate as plainclothes Libyan security were evacuating them to the safe house. The Second assault targeted the safe house, killing two Americans and wounding nearly about 30 Libyans and Americans."....."
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    The acting in that film is so appalling I'm not surprised they are offended. If I paid $10 to see that crap, I'd demand a double refund or I'd attack the theater.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It really isn't religion, per se, since it is the approach to religion that is problematical. The real issue is of belief without reason, and the dogmatism and rigid mindset that precipitates the intolerance. These are human characteristics that can be manifested in many ways that are not necessarily religious, such as political outlooks or the blind acceptance of social mores.

    We are a socialized animal, yet are blessed with just enough intelligence to think independently of our instinct. It is those who are so overly socialized that they demand ultra-conformity who are the problem here, and these people are not limited to the religious.
    It's a multi-facted problem, but the crux is that religion states itself as TRUTH. When people who have a dogmatic mindset adopt religion, that line of thinking is reinforced by the idea that they know THE TRUTH.

    But no religion is THE TRUTH; it's only a few aspects of important knowledge. You can learn and understand the exact same things without the whole BS supernatural gnostic belief structure that encapsulates them.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yeah, wrap the entire Christian faith around one man's singular approach to it.
    I dislike his religion as much as I dislike the religion he competes against.

    Do you think I hate Christianity of some supposed knee-jerk "liberalism" while at the same time defending Islam because of my bleeding-heart? Get a clue, dude; they're both cut from the same turd.

    You're an atheist, which means you're exactly like Fidel Castro. Got it.
    Which is why I never stop advocating for the proletariat to rise up and smash capitalism. I mean, I can't go ten seconds without proclaiming my love of Marxist communism. You are so very, very, very, very, very, very right about that.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How in the hell did they get dead? Did they kill themselves?
    Based on a lot of reports the Libyian consulate was a pre-meditated attack they may have been an organized terrorist groups. It was indirect fire that killed the individuals inside the building. It wasn't protestors breaking in and killing them.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Jones has no money.. This 'film' cost 5 million dollars.

    The protesters were NOT the ones that killed the ambassador and embassy staff.
    My point was the irony of him being a Christian preacher, a man who proclaims the gospel of Christ, who at the same time demonizes and hates Muslims. He doesn't just disagree with them; he literally hates them, mocks them, publicly does things to inflame the Muslim community here.

    Regarding this film in particular; his Christian morals apparently allow him to literally hate another group of people (who follow scriptures that prominently feature Jesus Christ as a prophet), but they hit a snag when it comes to sexual content. Hating a group of people for being different from him? A-okay with Jeezus. A topless scene? THAT'S IMMORAL!

    It boils down to him mocking one set of ridiculous beliefs while proclaiming an equally ridiculous set of beliefs. It's stupidity of the highest order.

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