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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    the three pillars of fascism to emerge from the 20th century are Bolshevism, Nazism and corporatism

    And we all know what the USA stands for on the corporate front dont we ladies and gentlemen?

    Seems like you should invest in a dictionary or perhaps even a history book or two - rather than spending time watching Hollywood films which you define as documentaries and getting your moral compass bearings from CNN and the Murdoch press leaches
    If you're justifying terrorism and the murder of an Ambassador, I'll pass on your particular brand of morals.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

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    I was driving home from work this morning listening to NPR and hear a story about this film and the story behind it, and what I heard was quite shocking and made me sick and angry.

    Where to start? Well firstly let me explain a few things, I'm going to trash this film and its producers and vile humans bent on creating violence and intolerance in the world for selfish and petty ends, and who probably take a sick pleasure in angering and degrading others. However, what I'm not going to is deny their freedom of speech which despite all the sickening aspects of their film they of course always have that right to say whatever they wish. Also, none of this should be considered a justification on the part of those who used this film as a reason for violence as much as it understandably angers them and even though many reports state its been used and blown out of proportion by extremists/fundamentalists in the Arab world as an excuse for their own petty political goals, like by claiming it is a big budget Hollywood movie to be shown across theaters in the USA. For example several reports state the riots in Cairo have been motivated by Salafists, a group devoted to an extreme fundamental vision of Islam, who see the west as their enemy and would love an opportunity like to cause violence and I'd bet my bank account to get someone killed by an American defending the embassy to create a martyr and another propaganda story to increase support for their movement.

    Apparently according to several experts who have seen this trailer, it the film has been deliberately made to be as insulting and degrading to Muslims as possible. Picturing Mohammed and the story of the Quran as a combination of the worst horrible inaccurate stories about the prophet throughout history, picturing him as a homosexual, child rapist, animal rapist, baptizer of animals, liar, thief, cheater, as a man who prances around with the most stereotypical "gay voice" you've ever heard, etc, etc.

    Anti-Islam Film Crafted To Provoke, Experts Say : NPR

    Going further its becoming clearer that some of actors and crew hired to produce this film had no idea what they were actually getting into, being told they were filming a movie called "Desert Warriors" about the adventures of a tribe of nomads in Egypt roughly 2,000 years ago.





    What We Know About 'Sam Bacile,' The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie : The Two-Way : NPR

    California Man Confirms Role In Anti-Islam Film : NPR

    The producer, who hasn't even been identified with 100% certainty, is an unknown perhaps a elderly Jewish man in California or a Coptic Christian Egyptian. But the man can't even come forward and claim his own message, preferring to lob his obscenities from the safety of anonymity where no one can challenge him directly, a complete coward if you ask me. And it appears the film's producers are not without a criminal past, one being convicted of bank fraud in 2010 and the other belonging to a Christian hate group.





    So my point is simply this: Its a sickening and horrible act to create speech with the deliberate attempt to provoke someone, or in this case a whole religion, to anger and violence. And while these men certainly have the freedom to produce this film, although not to manipulate their actors and crew, they should be seen for exactly who they are, as being trying to cause violence from the shadows, people who are forced to manipulate others because their message would never stand up to any but the most equally ridiculous critics.

    Likewise, the Muslims who were allowed themselves to be provoked, and the groups who used this as propaganda to manipulate others into violence have no one to blame but themselves for their own violence and they must be held accountable for their actions. Nothing justifies their actions.

    I challenge everyone to stop defending these people, quickly acknowledge their right to free speech and then do nothing but trash the hate spewing, instigators of violence and cowardly worms they really are. Men who thought their petty little games were worth the violence they surely knew may come from their actions, which resulted in the death of four Americans. If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America.
    Who's "defending" these people? You make it seem as though to acknowledge that yes, they are also covered by the First Amendment, is somehow sympathizing with their film. That is a very small viewpoint.

    If you don't stand up for principle for people you disagree with or don't like, then you don't believe in that principle. I challenge YOU to think about that.

    I also challenge you to condemn the lunatics who kill people over a film which no one's seen, rather than just portray them as hapless animals who react to stimuli based only on instinct and can't be expected to live up to a modicum of rationality.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Does anybody else look at the claims by the actors of not knowing the basic concept of the film as basically covering their butts? I really have a hard time with their claims of innocence.

    And I am sorry, the only thing that makes me sick and angry is what happened to the ambassador. You are making way too much of the film in comparison to your outrage over the violence that is claimed to be a result of the film.
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    And buying into the idea that this murderous mob was actually bothered by the film at all is another matter entirely. Why be so loath to put the blame where it actually belongs?
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Never heard about this movie untill these wacko's started burning down embassies...

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Never heard about this movie untill these wacko's started burning down embassies...
    Which raises yet another question -- how did THEY? If they're just run-of-the-mill townsfolk generally minding their own business and all.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    It doesn't seem much worse than the average Family Guy episode that mocks Jesus and Christianity

    I'm offended by it, but I brush it off and continue to laugh at the funny parts (although, South Park > Family Guy). Freedom of speech is wonderful and should be respected. No apology should be issued, it should all be condemnation of the barbarians that murdered people and attacked US embassies.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Never mind that the actual attack on the consulate had nothing to do with the video:

    U.S. vows to hunt down perpetrators of Benghazi attack - CNN

    The Benghazi consulate was one of several American diplomatic missions that faced protests after the online release of a film that ridiculed Muslims and depicted the Prophet Mohammed as a child molester, womanizer and ruthless killer.

    But U.S. sources said Wednesday the four-hour assault in Benghazi had been planned, with the attackers using the protest as a diversion.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which raises yet another question -- how did THEY? If they're just run-of-the-mill townsfolk generally minding their own business and all.
    There's a wide range of anti-american sources in many of these countries. They use the US/The West as a scapegoat for all that is wrong in the world. By doing so they divert attention from their own failures.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If it were not for men like these, provoking others to violence for no reason other than some hate filled beliefs and sick pleasure in it, this would have never have happened, those Americans would be alive and the fundamentalists and extremists who are our enemy would not have a powerful propaganda tool to use to inflict damage and death upon America.
    And if it weren't for irrational, hate filled morons sitting around waiting to murder as soon as some perceived insult comes their way, we could realize a more open and universal exercise of our rights. They were not the ones to pull the trigger, regardless of what they said. Que sera sera.
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