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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes I have, I also know that the only good terrorist is a dead one. So, if you want to be a terorrist, take that for whatever it's worth.
    Come on now, Obama kills innocent people all the time with his drones, and you say nothing's wrong with that or him being a terrorist. Obama said the Afghanistan was the just war, but you recall we went to war in Afghanistan because of about 10 terrorist flew planes into our buildings. Obama then is surely a terrorist according to your definition.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The "war on terror" is not a war on a nation-state.
    What was or is Afghanistan. There was only 10 or so terrorists that flew planes into our buildings.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Come on now, Obama kills innocent people all the time with his drones, and you say nothing's wrong with that or him being a terrorist. Obama said the Afghanistan was the just war, but you recall we went to war in Afghanistan because of about 10 terrorist flew planes into our buildings. Obama then is surely a terrorist according to your definition.

    Yes, let's compare. Drone attacks have killed innocent people, but innocent people weren't the main targets.

    Compared to your comment of:

    OK, they murdered 4 of our own, so now lets go and murder 400 of theirs. Now I like that idea.
    You INTENTIONALLY want to kill innocent people and you want to do it in GREATER numbers. That is the definition of a terrorist.

    So again, the only good terrorist is a dead one. And if you want to be a terrorist, take that comment however you want to.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    What was or is Afghanistan. There was only 10 or so terrorists that flew planes into our buildings.
    The only reason we went into Afghanistan in the first place was they were harboring Bin Ladin. Had they turned him over we wouldn't have gone in there. So yes, the war on terror is not a war on a nation state.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    What was or is Afghanistan. There was only 10 or so terrorists that flew planes into our buildings.
    So you think we should declare war on Libya now?

    Even though the government had nothing to do with that attack.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    the three pillars of fascism to emerge from the 20th century are Bolshevism, Nazism and corporatism

    And we all know what the USA stands for on the corporate front dont we ladies and gentlemen?

    Seems like you should invest in a dictionary or perhaps even a history book or two - rather than spending time watching Hollywood films which you define as documentaries and getting your moral compass bearings from CNN and the Murdoch press leaches
    Definition of FASCISM
    1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality J. W. Aldridge>




    Bolshevism, Nazism. Yep. Capitalism... yeah, not so much. In fact, Capitalism is the polar opposite of fascism.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    Bolshevism, Nazism. Yep. Capitalism... yeah, not so much. In fact, Capitalism is the polar opposite of fascism.
    Capitalism is not a political doctrine - its an economic model like the bartering system etc.

    I was referring to Corporatism as a form of fascism

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I do not care how offensive a film was, I have no right by God or by law to take my moral outrage and then unleash it against humanity and society, causing actual mayhem and destruction of human life. I am even less sympathetic when you have absolutely no proximity toward the film or the filmmakers, or its promoters. My outrage against the filmmakers is fixed. My outrage against the mob increases with the increased destruction it delivers to humanity. The only ones in control are the mob. That is their choice how to react.
    This issue is actually an interesting near analog to the rape discussions going on somewhat recently, with some admitted differences.

    Making a video where you do not call for people to kill other people in no way, shape, or form makes you responsible for people killing other people or riot. You're responsible for your hateful views, your crappy movie, and at best poor decision making at ridiculing a religious figure of a religion which has many members showing an increased inability to be reasonable human beings in such situations. But the ONLY people responsible for mob behavior, for destructive behavior, for murderous behavior, are those CHOOSING to engage in such things. A video does not MAKE you do those things and shouldn't be expected that it will MAKE people act in such a fashion.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig
    70% of Egypt just Voted in the Islamo-fascists; Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis.
    The always tricky... 'moderate' Islam.
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    You make a good point.
    YOU made it 20 months ago.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059244810
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    If the government is overthrown, how long do ya'll think it will be, before the Muslim Brotherhood takes the reins?
    Meanwhile klown continues gratuitously/Obsessively litterng the board with the term/accusation "Fascist". Never appropriately, ie, the (Islamist, Stolen-election, Political-Prisoner, Christian-Oppressing, Holocaust-Denying, Genocide-calling, Gay-Bashing/Executing) Mullahocracy Iran or MB/Salafi Egypt.
    Klown you're wearing it out to the point of meaningLessness, and of course accusing the wrong parties.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    What I saw was gross.. portrayed Muhammad as a pedophile, rapist, thief .. and so on.
    Did those engaging in Mob activity make a choice to do such, or not?

    That's really the issue here. A video did not make them kill people. A video did not make them riot. THEY choose to do that. OTHER muslims know of the video and didn't riot or kill people. There are christians have had mocking things of their religion made and have not rioted and killed people. The variable here is those who are actually DOING the rioting...they are responsible for their actions. The film maker is responsible only for making a reportedly hateful movie.

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