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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    i dont recall this much "ado" when 'the passion of the christ' came out..

    the protestors they show seem to be mostly the young and angry.. obviously there isnt much else going on in their lives but 'guns and religion'..

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    70% of Egypt just Voted in the Islamo-fascists; Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis.
    The always tricky... 'moderate' Islam.
    You make a good point.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Therein lies the problem. You don't know a regular Muslim from a terrorist Muslim, and neither does anyone else.

    Instead we get the usual hackneyed response of 'not all Muslims are terrorists'. We know that. We really, really do.

    If all muslims were terrorists it would make the job of defending ourselves a great deal easier, wouldn't it? Of course we must also keep in mind that they all belong to a similar fraternity and few quit in disgust at the actions of their theological brethren.

    When irate Muslims exclaim, "Death To America", do they mean just certain states in America? Do you think that's a subject of debate among Muslims? I doubt it. When they say "Death to America" it probably refers to western civilization, with no exceptions.

    Perhaps we can negotiate with them. I say give them Germany, Vermont and Prince Edward Island. Maybe then they'll shut up and go away.
    As I said before, one usually can base their conclusions off of words and actions rather than assumptions.

    It's a statement based off of common sense, and personal experience to boot. There are large sects of non violent muslims alive and well, unfortunately their influence and example is dampened quite easily by the scores of extremists among them.

    Actually, no.

    That's a rather ridiciculous request to be quite frank. Akin to demanding catholics renounce their faith in accordance with scandals that have little to do with their own personal beliefs and character traits. I do believe that the "secular" sects of the Muslim community should voice themselves with far more authority on the issue though.

    The fault in your argument is that your attributing such a proclamation to a wide range of individuals who took no part in such demonstrations, as pointed out previously.

    Make it New Jersey and you've got a deal.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    We should be apologizing for that film for its heinous production values alone.

    I've seen better pieces by high school kids.

    "Sorry. Some of us are stupid assholes, ut we have free speech in America so we have to put up with it." Is a perfectly American statement.

    We just need to let them know that we let South Park handle our light work.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Egyptians and the Libyans should stand up to the Islamofacists and it would go a long way to finding common ground.

    I mean, all the stupidity is going on in their world, not ours.
    But the Egyptians just voted in the Muslim Brotherhood and the Safaris, thereby establishing a one vote, one man, one time situation. It seems they want to go full Islam. That appears to be the trend in fact.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    To be fair, only 15% went to the totally nutty Salafists, while the Muslim Brotherhood got 50%+.

    And based on all I read, the Muslim Brotherhood is certainly not liberal by Western standards, but at least rational enough to talk and negotiate with them, and establish a kind of cooperation. Muslim Brotherhood politicians often claimed Erdogan's islamists in Turkey are their role model. If that's true, that wouldn't be ideal of course, but not that bad either.
    If the Muslim Brotherhood were white Germans who exposed the same sorts of virulently misgynist, homophobic, theocratic opinions, you would no doubt consider them extreme right.

    and you would be correct.

    It is only because they are Arab that anybody could possibly call them moderate.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If the Muslim Brotherhood were white Germans who exposed the same sorts of virulently misgynist, homophobic, theocratic opinions, you would no doubt consider them extreme right.

    and you would be correct.

    It is only because they are Arab that anybody could possibly call them moderate.
    You're probably right, and I would never want to live in Egypt.

    But they are as they are, and we cannot chose another Egypt we like more, because there is only one. So as long as their government is sufficiently "moderate" (in comparison to the Salafists) to leave us alone, to respect our and Israel's treaties with them and not to fund terrorists, I'd say "go for it".

    Of course it would be nice if people in Egypt were very enlightened and shared all our Western values. But I don't think that's realistic for the time being, and we can't change the people there. So a bird in the hand...
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    As I said before, one usually can base their conclusions off of words and actions rather than assumptions.
    I quite agree. However I see a lot more Muslims shouting Death To America rather than Long Live America. Perhaps they are the silent majority but it would be nice if they spoke up occasionally.

    It's a statement based off of common sense, and personal experience to boot. There are large sects of non violent muslims alive and well, unfortunately their influence and example is dampened quite easily by the scores of extremists among them.
    Yes, yes, i get it. Not all Muslims are terrorist. Perhaps we can now move on.

    That's a rather ridiciculous request to be quite frank. Akin to demanding catholics renounce their faith in accordance with scandals that have little to do with their own personal beliefs and character traits. I do believe that the "secular" sects of the Muslim community should voice themselves with far more authority on the issue though.
    As a matter of fact many Catholics did renounce their faith and the Christian religion, in Europe especially, has almost died out completely. And being replaced by you know what.
    The fault in your argument is that your attributing such a proclamation to a wide range of individuals who took no part in such demonstrations, as pointed out previously.
    Yes, quite. Not all Muslims are terrorists. It seems we just went through that.

    Make it New Jersey and you've got a deal.
    What??? Chris Christie for Peter Shumlin??

    I don't think so!! Christie would not go gentle into that good Islamic night.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    You're probably right, and I would never want to live in Egypt.

    But they are as they are, and we cannot chose another Egypt we like more, because there is only one. So as long as their government is sufficiently "moderate" (in comparison to the Salafists) to leave us alone, to respect our and Israel's treaties with them and not to fund terrorists, I'd say "go for it".

    Of course it would be nice if people in Egypt were very enlightened and shared all our Western values. But I don't think that's realistic for the time being, and we can't change the people there. So a bird in the hand...
    I would be content with them just possessing human values.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why do you never have specifics, you leave me to guess what you mean.
    I was pretty clear.

    So you're saying you define the enemy as radical Islam and radical Islam as anyone who doesn't speak out against attacks against the United States?
    Not just the US friend, but any that refuse to convert to Islam or pay their dhimmi tax.

    That's a lot of people man
    Absolutely it is.

    how are we going to identify who's speaking out and who isn't?
    I would say that those that condemn the current wave of terrorism, and caliphate against Israel, and the west would be speaking out....

    Should we stop and question everyone and if we don't like their answers then contain or kill them or what?
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