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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It's always the same story, isn't it? These islamist extremists generalize and blame Americans in general for that movie, although 99.9% of Americans have never heard of it until very recently, and a majority probably considers it very bad for various reasons.

    Then, many people in America and the West generalize and blame Muslims in these countries in general, although only a minority actually got violent or supports the violence, while a majority of Egyptians and Libyans, while disliking the movie, would never commit violence because of it.

    And there goes the hate spiral.
    The Egyptians and the Libyans should stand up to the Islamofacists and it would go a long way to finding common ground.

    I mean, all the stupidity is going on in their world, not ours.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

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    That's a rather difficult task, as evidenced by your constant broadbrushing of the entirety of the Islamic community based on half cocked gut assumptions. I myself usually make judgements based on actions instead. I simply don't feel the overwhelming majority of muslims seek to destroy America, or the West for that matter.
    Therein lies the problem. You don't know a regular Muslim from a terrorist Muslim, and neither does anyone else. Instead we get the usual hackneyed response of 'not all Muslims are terrorists'. We know that. We really, really do. If all muslims were terrorists it would make the job of defending ourselves a great deal easier, wouldn't it? Of course we must also keep in mind that they all belong to a similar fraternity and few quit in disgust at the actions of their theological brethren.

    When irate Muslims exclaim, "Death To America", do they mean just certain states in America? Do you think that's a subject of debate among Muslims? I doubt it. When they say "Death to America" it probably refers to western civilization, with no exceptions.

    Perhaps we can negotiate with them. I say give them Germany, Vermont and Prince Edward Island. Maybe then they'll shut up and go away.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Egyptians and the Libyans should stand up to the Islamofacists and it would go a long way to finding common ground.
    I agree, the less extreme Egyptians and Libyans should stand up against the islamofascists. At very least against such acts of violence.

    That's why I think we should target our criticism more specifically and avoid to needlessly offend those Muslims we need on our side. Hate speech that equally offends violent nutjobs and decent non-violent Muslims alike is hurting our cause to single out the extremists and to dry out sympathy on the side of the less extremes.

    As for stupidity alone, I'm not sure we're really less stupid in the West than in Muslim countries -- but when it comes to stupid violence, I agree, they certainly hold a top position in these regards.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Egyptians and the Libyans should stand up to the Islamofacists and it would go a long way to finding common ground.

    I mean, all the stupidity is going on in their world, not ours.
    70% of Egypt just Voted in the Islamo-fascists; Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis.
    The always tricky... 'moderate' Islam.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I agree, the less extreme Egyptians and Libyans should stand up against the islamofascists. At very least against such acts of violence.

    That's why I think we should target our criticism more specifically and avoid to needlessly offend those Muslims we need on our side. Hate speech that equally offends violent nutjobs and decent non-violent Muslims alike is hurting our cause to single out the extremists and to dry out sympathy on the side of the less extremes.

    As for stupidity alone, I'm not sure we're really less stupid in the West than in Muslim countries -- but when it comes to stupid violence, I agree, they certainly hold a top position in these regards.
    They should take the first step and prove that they're actually on our side. Without that, it's obvious they're not on our side, to begin with.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    70% of Egypt just Voted in the Islamo-fascists; Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis.
    The always tricky... 'moderate' Islam.
    To be fair, only 15% went to the totally nutty Salafists, while the Muslim Brotherhood got 50%+.

    And based on all I read, the Muslim Brotherhood is certainly not liberal by Western standards, but at least rational enough to talk and negotiate with them, and establish a kind of cooperation. Muslim Brotherhood politicians often claimed Erdogan's islamists in Turkey are their role model. If that's true, that wouldn't be ideal of course, but not that bad either.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    To be fair, only 15% went to the totally nutty Salafists, while the Muslim Brotherhood got 50%+.

    And based on all I read, the Muslim Brotherhood is certainly not liberal by Western standards, but at least rational enough to talk and negotiate with them, and establish a kind of cooperation. Muslim Brotherhood politicians often claimed Erdogan's islamists in Turkey are their role model. If that's true, that wouldn't be ideal of course, but not that bad either.
    Good post.. You got it.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

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    Whenever somebody suggests that to me I consider it a comliment.

    A fellow would have to be awfully well-hung to accomplish such a feat, wouldn't he?
    I'm not so sure. It's not a very far distance. I think if one just kinda mashed it up there with their finger, it might work. Why don't you try it.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Saw several of the clips from the film on youtube and sadly confess that i thought it was semi-entertaining over the top parody. And would kinda like to see the whole movie.

    Poked around the web and am not seeing where the full movie is available (if anywhere). Anybody here have a clue where the complete movie can be seen....??


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