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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Easy. Those who are not speaking out against the actions of those committing the atrocities....I got news for ya....I hear crickets.
    Why do you never have specifics, you leave me to guess what you mean. So you're saying you define the enemy as radical Islam and radical Islam as anyone who doesn't speak out against attacks against the United States?

    That's a lot of people man, how are we going to identify who's speaking out and who isn't? Should we stop and question everyone and if we don't like their answers then contain or kill them or what?

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't that what Berliners said when the city split after WWII into East/West? How'd that work out for the East side?
    I don't understand. In which way is my statement connected to Berlin after WW2?
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The meaning of "Death To America" seems quite clear.

    What subtext do you read into this?
    I don't even know what he's talking about, I'm assuming from his other topics is something along the lines of "All Muslims say Death to America, therefore they are all the enemy"

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Isa Qassim - "Death to America" - YouTube

    'Death to America' chant protestors as they storm U.S. Embassy in Yemen smashing windows and pelting offices with stones | Mail Online

    "Death to America" chants in Iran - YouTube

    “Death to America” Protests Spread to Birthplace of Arab Spring: Gaza | FrontPage Magazine

    There are dozens such references on the internet with Islamic leaders preaching hatred against any westerner. It's not clear what movie they watched that incited these hatreds and death wishes but it must have been powerful. Perhaps it was made by an elderly Jewish man.
    Yemen has been a mess since 1960.. Its pretty much the wild wild West outside of Sana. You have warlords and Al Houthi in the north. Royalists, Communists, Al Qaeda in the South who have been joined by Al Shabaab from Somalia. The oil business has been sabotaged.. The factories have closed. People are starving and the place is awash in guns.

    That nasty little movie was produced by a Christian.. who blamed it on Israel.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know which Muslims want to destroy you and which Muslims don't?
    Its a hard question to answer, but its absolutely a question that must be answered. We have to locate the enemy before we engage them otherwise they will never be defeated, and once we've located them it almost always requires a unique solution to deal with them. Sometimes its a simple as kill them, most times its more complex. For example these individuals in Egypt cannot simply be hunted and killed, from I've seen on the news we don't know who exactly organized this attack on our Embassy and if we did we can't simply go into Egypt and hunt them down. It requires a different approach, which is press Egypt into living up to its commitments of providing security around our Embassy. Now I'm not talking about internal embassy security, I'm talking things like sending in the police to contain or break ups protests/riots outside the embassy before they ever get inside it. They should also be pressured to breaking up these violent groups within their own country, they are much more suited to that task being both more familiar with their own country and people than we are AND having the legal authority to do so.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Extremists do not speak for the entirety of the Islamic community, as you should well know.
    Do you know how to identify an extremist Muslim from a regular Muslim?

    If you know the answer it might speed the line-ups at the airport.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you know how to identify an extremist Muslim from a regular Muslim?

    If you know the answer it might speed the line-ups at the airport.
    That's a rather difficult task, as evidenced by your constant broadbrushing of the entirety of the Islamic community based on half cocked gut assumptions. I myself usually make judgements based on actions instead. I simply don't feel the overwhelming majority of muslims seek to destroy America, or the West for that matter.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    It's always the same story, isn't it? These islamist extremists generalize and blame Americans in general for that movie, although 99.9% of Americans have never heard of it until very recently, and a majority probably considers it very bad for various reasons.

    Then, many people in America and the West generalize and blame Muslims in these countries in general, although only a minority actually got violent or supports the violence, while a majority of Egyptians and Libyans, while disliking the movie, would never commit violence because of it.

    And there goes the hate spiral.
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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    We should be apologizing for that film for its heinous production values alone.

    I've seen better pieces by high school kids.

    "Sorry. Some of us are stupid assholes, ut we have free speech in America so we have to put up with it." Is a perfectly American statement.

    We just need to let them know that we let South Park handle our light work.

    I'm sure they're working on an episode as we speak.

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    Re: "Innocence of Muslims" the film that caused the protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    That's a rather difficult task, as evidenced by your constant broadbrushing of the entirety of the Islamic community based on half cocked gut assumptions. I myself usually make judgements based on actions instead. I simply don't feel the overwhelming majority of muslims seek to destroy America, or the West for that matter.
    My impression is that a majority of Muslims indeed holds very wacky anti-Western views, and most don't really know what freedom of speech is, and they just wait for opportunities to be offended -- but at the same time, most are not violent and will vent their anger verbally at worst. Those who actually take up arms are few.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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