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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I could go on forever but I am already late for work.
    Work isn't all you're late for. Obama was presented with welcoming gifts that inlcuded the in-progress worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. He didn't start it. Braindead Republicans did that. Obama's job has been to end it. Despite braindead Republicans desperately seeking to keep him from doing that at every step along the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    As you can see though this partial list of obama failures is real life pertinent straight forward facts.
    Bunch of meaningless chicken scratchings. We've already seen blatant dishonesty in your unemployment, housing starts, and gas prices claims. I don't even want to know what you think foreign and energy policy failures might have been.

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did someone just call Bush the worst president ever? He was painfully average.
    Fortunately for many prior generations of Americans, George W Bush was far, far short of average. Only a handful of Presidents have managed to botch virtually everything they ever put their fumbling little mitts on, fewer still who were able to pull that off over eight long years. You'd think just the law of averages might have saved the guy at some point, but no. It was just miserable disgrace and failure at everything from start to finish.

    Disagree? Go ahead...put up a list of Bushie success stories. There must be something...he WAS very popular in Albania, after all.

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Where the hell is Rutherford B. Hayes when you need him the most?
    Rutherford B. Hayes was no prize, but there are very few historians who would call him a worse President than George W Bush. Worse than Grover Cleveland, yes. Worse than George W Bush, no.

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Housing starts have bottomed because the inventory of vacant homes hasn't cleared, banks are reluctant to sell off their holdings, demand is down due to a variety of reasons, etc. Do you even know what a bubble is?
    Housing starts have been increasing and market inventory is down by nearly 25% year-over-year to roughly 6.5 months worth of sales. What's been most plainly lacking is first-time buyers, this due to a limited supply of homes at lower prices and overly restrictive lending practices.

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Fortunately for many prior generations of Americans, George W Bush was far, far short of average. Only a handful of Presidents have managed to botch virtually everything they ever put their fumbling little mitts on, fewer still who were able to pull that off over eight long years. You'd think just the law of averages might have saved the guy at some point, but no. It was just miserable disgrace and failure at everything from start to finish.

    Disagree? Go ahead...put up a list of Bushie success stories. There must be something...he WAS very popular in Albania, after all.
    Or Africa.

    Nah, Bush was decent. Nothing great, nothing horrible. Obama is a little bit above average, but that's it.

    I know the current partisan climate ("THE OTHER GUY IS THE DEVIL AND THE WORST EVER!") and the recency bias of the serial position effect team up to create large swaths of partisans that believe that recent presidents of different ideological bents are DA WURST EVAR, but it just ain't so.
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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Or Africa.
    While Bush's work on AIDS and good-governance in Africa so far falls short of what the Clinton Global Initiative has been doing, they had a head start, and Bush did get points by comparison simply for not ignoring Africa while actually in office, the fact that he had simply run out of other places he could travel to notwithstanding. These efforts likely do stand as the one and only net positive contrbution that Bush was able to make in eight years. One entry does not comprise a list, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Nah, Bush was decent. Nothing great, nothing horrible.
    Decent? What in God's name was there that even approached decent? Iraq? The economy? Abu Ghraib and Gitmo? His bold steps forward on health care, energy, and immigration policy? DHS? Education? The environment? Foreign policy? Civil rights? Katrina? What? There is an eight-year litany of very nearly wall-to-wall disgrace and failure. Do point out the decent parts that are somehow being covered up.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Obama is a little bit above average, but that's it.
    Obama is like FDR. This is no average for what he's been asked to do. And FDR of course didn't have to deal with a hostile, terrorist Congress while doing it. We'll have to see how it all shakes out over the next four years, but I would guess that he'll be at least knocking on the door of upper quartile status.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I know the current partisan climate ("THE OTHER GUY IS THE DEVIL AND THE WORST EVER!") and the recency bias of the serial position effect team up to create large swaths of partisans that believe that recent presidents of different ideological bents are DA WURST EVAR, but it just ain't so.
    Try to be serious. Recency bias and the serial position effect are tiddlywinks notions related to small-scale short-term memory storage and recall. They have nothing to do with history. You're either a researcher in the field plumbing for grant money or are a quite considerable way off base.

    Returning to reality, there is nothing about lately that precludes it from having witnesssed one of the worst presidencies of all time. All that's necessary is for there recently to have been a President whose failures and shortcomings were so glaring and numerous as to qualify him for such a position. Quite a powerful case can in fact be made for exactly that having happened.

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    While Bush's work on AIDS and good-governance in Africa so far falls short of what the Clinton Global Initiative has been doing, they had a head start, and Bush did get points by comparison simply for not ignoring Africa while actually in office, the fact that he had simply run out of other places he could travel to notwithstanding. These efforts likely do stand as the one and only net positive contrbution that Bush was able to make in eight years. One entry does not comprise a list, however.


    Decent? What in God's name was there that even approached decent? Iraq? The economy? Abu Ghraib and Gitmo? His bold steps forward on health care, energy, and immigration policy? DHS? Education? The environment? Foreign policy? Civil rights? Katrina? What? There is an eight-year litany of very nearly wall-to-wall disgrace and failure. Do point out the decent parts that are somehow being covered up.


    Obama is like FDR. This is no average for what he's been asked to do. And FDR of course didn't have to deal with a hostile, terrorist Congress while doing it. We'll have to see how it all shakes out over the next four years, but I would guess that he'll be at least knocking on the door of upper quartile status.


    Try to be serious. Recency bias and the serial position effect are tiddlywinks notions related to small-scale short-term memory storage and recall. They have nothing to do with history. You're either a researcher in the field plumbing for grant money or are a quite considerable way off base.

    Returning to reality, there is nothing about lately that precludes it from having witnesssed one of the worst presidencies of all time. All that's necessary is for there recently to have been a President whose failures and shortcomings were so glaring and numerous as to qualify him for such a position. Quite a powerful case can in fact be made for exactly that having happened.
    So now we know what the official liberal position is. Cool.
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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did someone just call Bush the worst president ever?

    He was painfully average. Calling him the worst ever is like calling Obama the worst ever: it says more about the person saying it than anything else.
    Herbert Hoover?

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    Re: US Median Income Lowest Since 1995

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So now we know what the official liberal position is. Cool.
    Are you judging the official liberal position on one post?

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