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    Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Top US military officer calls pastor over film | News by Country | Reuters

    WASHINGTON, Sept 12 (Reuters) - General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke with Pastor Terry Jones by phone on Wednesday and asked him to withdraw his support for a film whose portrayal of the Prophet Mohammad has sparked violent protests - including one that ended with the death of America's envoy to Libya. "In the brief call, Gen. Dempsey expressed his concerns over the nature of the film, the tensions it will inflame and the violence it will cause," Dempsey's spokesman, Colonel Dave Lapan, told Reuters. "He asked Mr. Jones to consider withdrawing his support for the film." U.S. military officials are concerned that the film could inflame tensions in Afghanistan, where 74,000 U.S. troops are fighting. The Taliban earlier on Wednesday called on Afghans to prepare for a fight against Americans and urged insurgents to "take revenge" on U.S. soldiers over the film.
    This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.

    The concern of the US military and and the US government is to make it possible for people to have the freedom to do these kinds things, no matter how distasteful they may be.

    So, the job of the government, and of the military, is to say, outwardly, to these people who are offended, "yeah? Freedom's a bitch, and we defend her."
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Does the general not also have the right to simply request something of a pastor, that may benefit the men under his command... In this case being the entire US military.

    No force involved, simply a request, which I think is fair enough.

    No ones rights violated here.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Does the general not also have the right to simply request something of a pastor, that may benefit the men under his command... In this case being the entire US military.

    No force involved, simply a request, which I think is fair enough.

    No ones rights violated here.
    In his official capacity no....as a private citizen I do not see any conflicts of interest.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.
    It certainly is the military's prerogative to attempt to ease tensions in the area, especially when US lives could be at stake, especially when considering an excerpt such as this:
    The Taliban earlier on Wednesday called on Afghans to prepare for a fight against Americans and urged insurgents to "take revenge" on U.S. soldiers over the film.
    I would personally remove large numbers of diplomats from the region in haste, or seek to provide an excess of armed security for the embassies themselves. It's quite easy to make proclamations of bravado and inflamatory statements from the peanut gallery, but when lives are on the line, actions that may avoid an all out conflict or increased rioting are in our best interests.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, the job of the government, and of the military, is to say, outwardly, to these people who are offended, "yeah? Freedom's a bitch, and we defend her."
    That should be their job. But we are a nation of politically correct pansies. Pure and simple.

    Outrage at a guy for making a film, outrage at a guy for supporting that film. You can agree with them and the film or disagree. It can be truthful or 100% false. Doesn't matter, the 1st amendment allows them to make such a film.

    The outrage should be aimed at zealots that threaten and kill people over such things. The further we dig into this 'apology mode' and fear offending anyone, the more such zealots are proven that their tactics of fear and terror work.

    Not only should we be telling them 'tough crap', we should be hunting down the murderers with ammo that has been soaked in pigs blood. Show strength, show balls...
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Almost anyone can ASK almost anyone else to do ALMOST anything... if it is legal.

    ASK is fine. I don't get too worried until we start getting to order coerce or threaten.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    He should be standing up for the pastor's rights to free speech, not trying to restrict them to appease violent barbarians (those who attacked US embassies and killed individuals).
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Why are so many people acting as if our 1st amendment is under threat here? No one is stopping this film from being made or release, nor stopping anyone from backing it. Simply asking someone to not support something is not a violation of your 1st amendment.

    You know if you were a Romney support and someone asked you to not be one because they believe it will have a negative impact on our troops, is your 1st amendment being violated? No of course not, so stop being so silly and acting like the nazis are marching down Pennsylvania Ave

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    It certainly is the military's prerogative to attempt to ease tensions in the area, especially when US lives could be at stake, especially when considering an excerpt such as this:
    Nothing that is the exercise of a constitutionally-guaranteed freedom here at home is the concern of the military. Nothing. It is not the military's place to tell private citizens how to exercise their rights in order to make the military's job easier. The military works for us, not the other way around, and seeing it any other way is scary.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Exactly. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's smart or moral.

    If the General wants to ask to reduce the harm to those serving in the field, why wouldn't we all support that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Almost anyone can ASK almost anyone else to do ALMOST anything... if it is legal.

    ASK is fine. I don't get too worried until we start getting to order coerce or threaten.

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