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Top US military officer calls pastor over film

problem is that they are fighting an enemy who will do all they can to aviod close quarter combat ( and they have their hands tied behind their back) and no an American soldier can't handle anything thrown at them hence they are Human and they still die. As for a casuaties we will see over the next few days how it affects Afghan given the fact the Taliban have pledged to increase attacks and no doubt would of found a few new recruits!

To date, there is no evidence, in the form of a spike in US casualty figures, that supports the notion that pissing off the Muslims will get more Americans killed.
 
To date, there is no evidence, in the form of a spike in US casualty figures, that supports the notion that pissing off the Muslims will get more Americans killed.

No, but it sure makes target identification easier. If they are actually willing to become violent and cause harm over an opinion expressed in a movie, then simply shoot the dumb bastards and get it over with. The world would be a better place without them.
 
I'll try to respond to all of you in one short post.

1) If you read my posts nowhere did I say that he did not have the RIGHT to do what he did.

2) If it was legal today for you to yell FIRE in a crowded theater - would you? Think about that for a while.

There a difference between RIGHTS and RIGHT even though we use the same word.

I don't care about or like Muslims or any other super-religious folks. Taking actions in the name of invisible sky-things won't get you any respect from me. However, people are getting killed here and that's not right and not funny and not appropriate to score political points with. Another 9/11 tragedy but instead of coming together in respect, it's just a bunch of political childishness. You DO remember 9/11/2001? We mourned together. On 9/11/2012, I'm just embarrassed to be an American.

I've said all I have to say on this topic and I won't be returning to this thread. Thank you for your participation.

((Why should my right to hold an opinion even be questioned, and especially by the partisan?))


I'm sorry, but I'm sick to death of hearing tjat offending Muslims will get more soldiers killed. It's total bull****. It's nothing more than using our servicemen as pawns in pushing a politically correct agenda.


While I think Jones is an idiot, I have to agree that catering to the immature beliefs of a bunch of morons in robes is a bad idea. Someone needs to teach them that no matter what stupid crap they believe about Mohammed, they have to live in the real world and terrorism will never be acceptable, even if done in the name of someone's religion. The idea we should treat these retards with kid gloves because otherwise they'll act like 2-year olds and throw a tantrum is absurd.

People should never get special treatment because they have imaginary friends.

Why should his right to hold an opinion even be questioned, and especially by the military?
 
They weren't Muslims???

Do try to keep up, Grant. Let me help.

All KKK members are white, therefore all white people are KKK members? Work on that concept, apply it to Islamists and Muslims and then get back to me.

And while you are doing that:

Here in America, how many times have you, your family and/or your friends been personally attacked by Muslims because of your religion?

Beyond military service have you ever been outside of the United States?

How many times outside the US have you and yours been attacked by Muslims because of your religion?
 
Do try to keep up, Grant. Let me help.

All KKK members are white, therefore all white people are KKK members? Work on that concept, apply it to Islamists and Muslims and then get back to me.

Why do leftists have such a very clear problem with forming intelligent analogies? Was that the method they taught you in grade school so you would be more likely to understand?

This is not about the KKK or White people. The facts don't need analogies.

And while you are doing that:

Here in America, how many times have you, your family and/or your friends been personally attacked by Muslims because of your religion?


Never

Beyond military service have you ever been outside of the United States?

Yes
How many times outside the US have you and yours been attacked by Muslims because of your religion?

Never.

I'm a Canadian living in Costa Rica.

Whew!
 
I'll try to respond to all of you in one short post.

1) If you read my posts nowhere did I say that he did not have the RIGHT to do what he did.

2) If it was legal today for you to yell FIRE in a crowded theater - would you? Think about that for a while.

There a difference between RIGHTS and RIGHT even though we use the same word.

I don't care about or like Muslims or any other super-religious folks. Taking actions in the name of invisible sky-things won't get you any respect from me. However, people are getting killed here and that's not right and not funny and not appropriate to score political points with. Another 9/11 tragedy but instead of coming together in respect, it's just a bunch of political childishness. You DO remember 9/11/2001? We mourned together. On 9/11/2012, I'm just embarrassed to be an American.

I've said all I have to say on this topic and I won't be returning to this thread. Thank you for your participation.

((Why should my right to hold an opinion even be questioned, and especially by the partisan?))

It's neither legal, nor right to murder people over a movie you don't like. Think about that for a while.
 
All KKK members are white, therefore all white people are KKK members? Work on that concept, apply it to Islamists and Muslims and then get back to me.

It was white folks that crippled the klu klux klowns and made them insignificant. It was a couple of my white friends that beat the **** out of klownsman and left him in a road ditch, to die.

What are the moderate Muslims doing to squelch the Islamofacists? Nothing.

What response did we get from the Egyptian government? They want their consulate in the states to take leagal action against Bacile.
 
Maybe someone shouted fire while the Muslims were watching it.

Someone shouted fire, alright...but they meant to fire the mortars and the RPG's. :rofl
 
So now that it turns out that the Libya attack was a pre-planned event, that our 'intelligence' people missed out on what they should have picked up... How many who claimed it was about the dumb video are going to backpedal? Or will they just stick to their guns?

Yet again, the left wingers have jumped too fast, and look foolish now.

Wonder if that General is going to make a follow up call and say 'um, actually, it was us who didn't follow the intel that was there, and didn't even consider a planned attack on 9/11'..
 
Maybe someone shouted fire while the Muslims were watching it.

So far as I know, the film has only been screened once in it's entirety at a seedy theater in Hollywood where they couldn't convince more than 10 people to sit through it. Without a doubt, most of the people who rioted never saw it, any part of it, they were just told about it and went ape-crap as ignorant Muslims always do.
 
Why do leftists have such a very clear problem with forming intelligent analogies?

Beats me. I'm not a leftist.

What was it in my analogy that wasn't clear?

Was that the method they taught you in grade school so you would be more likely to understand?

I didn't study set theory until college. How about you?

This is not about the KKK or White people. The facts don't need analogies.

Clue me up with facts then. And thanks in advance.
 
It was white folks that crippled the klu klux klowns and made them insignificant. It was a couple of my white friends that beat the **** out of klownsman and left him in a road ditch, to die.

What are the moderate Muslims doing to squelch the Islamofacists? Nothing.

What response did we get from the Egyptian government? They want their consulate in the states to take leagal action against Bacile.

Really, apdst, if you insist on continuing to do this to yourself you might want to think about not doing it in public.
 
According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

Oh my! Where does the buck stop on this one? Is it Bush's fault again?

That General really looks like even more a dumbass now...
 
Top US military officer calls pastor over film | News by Country | Reuters



This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.

The concern of the US military and and the US government is to make it possible for people to have the freedom to do these kinds things, no matter how distasteful they may be.

So, the job of the government, and of the military, is to say, outwardly, to these people who are offended, "yeah? Freedom's a bitch, and we defend her."

Good for Dempsy.. There is no reason to put Westerners in danger or to jam Freedom of Speech down the throats of Muslims ........
 
Good for Dempsy.. There is no reason to put Westerners in danger or to jam Freedom of Speech down the throats of Muslims ........

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Top US military officer calls pastor over film | News by Country | Reuters



This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.

The concern of the US military and and the US government is to make it possible for people to have the freedom to do these kinds things, no matter how distasteful they may be.

So, the job of the government, and of the military, is to say, outwardly, to these people who are offended, "yeah? Freedom's a bitch, and we defend her."
You don't get to decide what is the US's concern, thank goodness.

The freedom of speech does not absolve people of the obligation to act responsibly. Just because you are free to do something doesn't mean you should. The government is more than empowered to request that people to act in certain ways if it protects Americans, overseas and at home.
 
Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

Oh my! Where does the buck stop on this one? Is it Bush's fault again?

That General really looks like even more a dumbass now...

It's understandable that posters on debate boards would make claims that this is all about a movie but when the US Secretary of State repeats this juvenile silliness then we know that the inmates have taken over the asylum.

These riots were well choreographed and its obvious what the motives were. It is shameful.
 
Good for Dempsy.. There is no reason to put Westerners in danger or to jam Freedom of Speech down the throats of Muslims ........

Yeah, nor protect freedom of speech here at home.
 
You don't get to decide what is the US's concern, thank goodness.

The freedom of speech does not absolve people of the obligation to act responsibly. Just because you are free to do something doesn't mean you should. The government is more than empowered to request that people to act in certain ways if it protects Americans, overseas and at home.

Hell, let's just beat the **** out of everyone that says something we don't like. That's basically what you're condoning.
 
Good for Dempsy.. There is no reason to put Westerners in danger or to jam Freedom of Speech down the throats of Muslims ........

Good point.

Freedom of speech could lead to freedom of thought. The entire Islamic system would collapse if that ever happened.
 
You don't get to decide what is the US's concern, thank goodness.

The freedom of speech does not absolve people of the obligation to act responsibly. Just because you are free to do something doesn't mean you should. The government is more than empowered to request that people to act in certain ways if it protects Americans, overseas and at home.

Would you say, then, that acting responsibly trumps the other basic "rights" in this country?

Careful now...
 
You don't get to decide what is the US's concern, thank goodness.

No, I actually do, because this particular thing is enshrined in the very document which creates the US government, thank you.

The freedom of speech does not absolve people of the obligation to act responsibly. Just because you are free to do something doesn't mean you should. The government is more than empowered to request that people to act in certain ways if it protects Americans, overseas and at home.

Perhaps you have grown comfortable with the idea of the government leaning on people over what they decide to say or create, but thankfully, I never will. No American should, of course.
 
Good for Dempsy.. There is no reason to put Westerners in danger or to jam Freedom of Speech down the throats of Muslims ........

One of the silliest things I've ever read on this board. Ever. This displays such a lack of understanding of all the principles involved (not to mention what actually happened), it's truly, almost literally, breathtaking.
 
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