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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    If it was a film that made fun of the 'christian god' and a christian killed someone and blamed such a movie, the reaction would probably be 180 degrees different from those that continue to support the pussification of our nation and seem to not support the 1st amendment.
    Sure.

    Comedians and the media will attack Christians because they know they will not be bothered but they will remain silent, and even apologetic, toward Muslims.

    Claiming Muslims are of a serious religion which should be respected is like suggesting Whoopee Goldberg is a beauty queen. Muslims tend to be ignorant people, we know it, but societal and political pressures strongly suggest we should be silent about it, that this particular religion is somehow worthy of our respect.

    That's nonsense of course. It's a backward religion with backward power struck leaders who take advantage of innocent human beings the world over. As always there are exceptions, but in general that is glaringly apparent.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sure.

    Comedians and the media will attack Christians because they know they will not be bothered but they will remain silent, and even apologetic, toward Muslims.

    Claiming Muslims are of a serious religion which should be respected is like suggesting Whoopee Goldberg is a beauty queen. Muslims tend to be ignorant people, we know it, but societal and political pressures strongly suggest we should be silent about it, that this particular religion is somehow worthy of our respect.

    That's nonsense of course. It's a backward religion with backward power struck leaders who take advantage of innocent human beings the world over. As always there are exceptions, but in general that is glaringly apparent.
    This is some serious paint brushing of a whole group of people. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Muslims in the world mind their own business and live their lives, like most everyone else.

    It is those that are extremists that are the problem.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    How do you see this as being the same thing?

    One relates directly to harm to our soldiers. One has no relevance to the military. Truly an apple/orange situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's not about a right being violated; it's about appropriateness. It was inappropriate.

    Let's put it another way -- if they were this upset about American women walking around with a lot of exposed skin, and demanding that the government do something about it, would it be the place of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ask women to cover up?

    Exactly the same principle at play here.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    One relates directly to harm to our soldiers.
    Huh? What does?
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    The Pastors actions have generated a murderous reaction. Sure, the reaction comes from a bunch of idiots but they can, do and have caused harm by attacking us. Women that are skimpily dressed do not, have not and aren't causing anyone to shoot at anyone. I fact, I rather like semi-nude girls.

    So, the General had a reason to ASK for moderation as a possible harm reduction issue. If he had called the pastor about nekkid chicks, he would have been out of line since this is not causing violence.

    Hope that answered your question.


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    Huh? What does?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The Pastors actions have generated a murderous reaction. Sure, the reaction comes from a bunch of idiots but they can, do and have caused harm by attacking us.
    This is such backwards thinking, IMO.

    Extremist Muslims have been attacking and killing 'infidels' long before America was ever colonized. It has been a constant throughout history. I frankly don't give a damn what offends them, or anyone else.. but if their reaction is to attack our citizens for it, then the response should be swift and strong. Not capitulation.

    And to be honest, if a freaking General calls civilians to try to get them to moderate their speech, then that General is not doing his damn job and should be fired. He took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and the citizens of this country. That means even if he disagree's with them, his job is to defend their rights to his own death. His actions make him a farce, it makes a mockery of the purpose of the military.

    I'm no longer in the military, but I still stand by this, and no matter how much an an a-hole someone is, no matter how ignorant their speech, I will still defend their right to say whatever it is they say, because otherwise, we head down a path of limiting freedom. We've had enough of that over the past couple decades, it's time to halt the creep.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Terry Jones is one of the world's greatest living dumbasses. He is pond scum. Does anyone doubt that? In America you are still free to make moronic utterances to about any religion you want. In fact Americans often do that. There's actually nothing wrong with that except that dumbasses on the receiving end of moronic religious utterances become upset and often react like, ah, you know, morons in the name of their deity by lashing out violently at the other morons and dumbasses.

    Terry Jones, being a world class dip****, wanted nothing more than to upset his dip**** counterparts who happen to be Islamist who coincidentally have the same amount of education as Jones. What happens? Non-extremists get killed. Happens all the time.

    Terry Jones is no more a Christian than the dirt bags who killed Ambassador Stevens are Muslim. Now I know that is a difficult for some Americans to wrap their heads around, but those of us who are not fundies of any religion know that.

    It is my desire that fundies could kill each other all they bloody well pleased while leaving the rest of the world in peace. I don't support any fundamentalists of any religion. Fundamentalism kills people.

    The General can call whomever he pleases. I wish he hadn't called Jones. Why blow smoke up a pig's ass?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    You seem to be having difficulty between identifying a REQUEST with an ORDER.

    If somebody was calling your wife filthy names in a parking lot, they would technically have the right to do so. If I went over to them and said "look asshole, Arbo is turning red in the face and is probably going to come over and punch your lights out so please stop" would I be violating the guys rights or making a sensible request?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    This is such backwards thinking, IMO.

    Extremist Muslims have been attacking and killing 'infidels' long before America was ever colonized. It has been a constant throughout history. I frankly don't give a damn what offends them, or anyone else.. but if their reaction is to attack our citizens for it, then the response should be swift and strong. Not capitulation.

    And to be honest, if a freaking General calls civilians to try to get them to moderate their speech, then that General is not doing his damn job and should be fired. He took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and the citizens of this country. That means even if he disagree's with them, his job is to defend their rights to his own death. His actions make him a farce, it makes a mockery of the purpose of the military.

    I'm no longer in the military, but I still stand by this, and no matter how much an an a-hole someone is, no matter how ignorant their speech, I will still defend their right to say whatever it is they say, because otherwise, we head down a path of limiting freedom. We've had enough of that over the past couple decades, it's time to halt the creep.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    This is some serious paint brushing of a whole group of people. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Muslims in the world mind their own business and live their lives, like most everyone else.

    It is those that are extremists that are the problem.
    You can't convince me Islam is a peaceful religion. There are way too many Muslims around the world willing to kill westerners because they insult them.

    Wasn't their prophet a warrior?
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Top US military officer calls pastor over film | News by Country | Reuters



    This is of absolutely no concern to the US military, or even the US government.
    That is absolute nonsense.

    He is concerned for his men. He made a very controlled and reasoned phone call to sick and deranged religious zealot. Good for him.

    Shame on this fake 'man of god'. He's just another Fred Phelps, vomiting hate and calling it Christianity.

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