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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If a general calls a private citizen to tell him to moderate his behavior in a certain fashion then he is not doing it as a private citizen. Otherwise the term "general" would not appear. It is obviously being used to intimidate.

    Secondly, why should US Forces, the mightiest in the world, be made nervous by a bunch of Afghan misogynistic religious freaks?

    I doubt this would have created a fuss at all during WWII if people had criticized those who were attacking them.
    According to whom?

    Al qaeda's influence is obviously not limited to Afghanistan.

    WW2 was decades ago, and the two situations are simply not comparable.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If a general calls a private citizen to tell him to moderate his behavior in a certain fashion then he is not doing it as a private citizen. Otherwise the term "general" would not appear. It is obviously being used to intimidate.

    Secondly, why should US Forces, the mightiest in the world, be made nervous by a bunch of Afghan misogynistic religious freaks?

    I doubt this would have created a fuss at all during WWII if people had criticized those who were attacking them.
    Have you been paying attention at all during the last ten years? Thousands of Soldiers are dead and hundreds of thousands wounded, also the attacks in Libya and Egypt are a long way from Afghans live so I think you should take a look at a map too.

    Four people have already been killed as a result of this film, perhaps more will die in the future. That isn't going to destroy or defeat the US military, but thats no reason to simply right off all the deaths. What General Dempsey is asking this man to do is reconsider his position because his position is getting people killed by giving the enemy a huge propaganda tool.

    However NO ONE is suggesting he has no right to hold that position and produce this film, but for the life of me I can't understand why people think the top US General is wrong for asking someone, again simply ASKING, this pastor to change or tone down his position because its getting US citizens killed.

    Four people are dead and some of you all are thinking asking someone to reconsider their position is an extreme reaction?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    According to whom?
    According to me.

    Al qaeda's influence is obviously not limited to Afghanistan.
    No, it's not.

    WW2 was decades ago, and the two situations are simply not comparable.
    Certainly wars are comparable. Why wouldn't they be?

    The biggest difference between the two wars is leadership. Then they went to win a war and would continue fighting until there was victory.

    Now they need a withdrawal date.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    According to me.

    No, it's not.

    Certainly wars are comparable. Why wouldn't they be?

    The biggest difference between the two wars is leadership. Then they went to win a war and would continue fighting until there was victory.

    Now they need a withdrawal date.
    How narcissistic do you have to be? "According to me" what kind of explanation is that, what makes your personal opinion the end of any need for explanation

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

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    Have you been paying attention at all during the last ten years? Thousands of Soldiers are dead and hundreds of thousands wounded, also the attacks in Libya and Egypt are a long way from Afghans live so I think you should take a look at a map too.
    Yes, thousands of soldiers are dead and many more wounded over the past 10 years but why has it taken 10 years? What is it about the US Military and its leadership that can drag a war on for 10 years? Do they not want to win?

    Four people have already been killed as a result of this film, perhaps more will die in the future. That isn't going to destroy or defeat the US military, but thats no reason to simply right off all the deaths. What General Dempsey is asking this man to do is reconsider his position because his position is getting people killed by giving the enemy a huge propaganda tool.
    Far from writing off their deaths I think the Americans should do something about it. But we both know they won't, and the Islamists know it as well.

    However NO ONE is suggesting he has no right to hold that position and produce this film, but for the life of me I can't understand why people think the top US General is wrong for asking someone, again simply ASKING, this pastor to change or tone down his position because its getting US citizens killed.
    The top US general should be figuring out how to get those murderous bastards responsible for the murder of American citizens rather than calling an obscure Florida pastor to control his opinions.
    Four people are dead and some of you all are thinking asking someone to reconsider their position is an extreme reaction?
    I did not say it was an extreme reaction. But I would say it was the action not befitting a general. Instead i is the behaviour of a wuss, and that weak attitude is being reflected in American foreign policy.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    How narcissistic do you have to be? "According to me" what kind of explanation is that, what makes your personal opinion the end of any need for explanation
    I express many personal opinions on these boards and I assume you do too. Many others as well.

    Do you want me to go to a source to collaborate my opinions?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

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    Yes, thousands of soldiers are dead and many more wounded over the past 10 years but why has it taken 10 years? What is it about the US Military and its leadership that can drag a war on for 10 years? Do they not want to win?



    Far from writing off their deaths I think the Americans should do something about it. But we both know they won't, and the Islamists know it as well.



    The top US general should be figuring out how to get those murderous bastards responsible for the murder of American citizens rather than calling an obscure Florida pastor to control his opinions.


    I did not say it was an extreme reaction. But I would say it was the action not befitting a general. Instead i is the behaviour of a wuss, and that weak attitude is being reflected in American foreign policy.
    You assume the only thing being done is talking to this Florida pastor? What basis do you have for that? What makes you so certain he's, or someone else in government, is not involved in figuring out how to solve this problem on the other side of it.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    According to me.

    Certainly wars are comparable. Why wouldn't they be?

    The biggest difference between the two wars is leadership.
    Somehow I doubt your an authority on such matters.

    A myriad of differing circumstances.

    The biggest differences between the two conflicts is the prolonged nature and muddled endgoals that surround the wars in the past decade. Also, the attack on our embassy and our representative occurred in territories in which we play the role of peacekeeper, ally, and moderator, as opposed to the circumstances that led us into WW2.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt this would have created a fuss at all during WWII if people had criticized those who were attacking them.
    If it was a film that made fun of the 'christian god' and a christian killed someone and blamed such a movie, the reaction would probably be 180 degrees different from those that continue to support the pussification of our nation and seem to not support the 1st amendment.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post

    You assume the only thing being done is talking to this Florida pastor?
    Why would a top US General waste his time calling an obscure Florida pastor?

    Is that part of his job description? Getting Americans to control their opinions?


    What basis do you have for that? What makes you so certain he's, or someone else in government, is not involved in figuring out how to solve this problem on the other side of it.
    How about their lack of success? That would seem to indicate that the world's only superpower is cutting the enemy too much slack while putting ever more restrictions on their own people.

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