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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why are so many people acting as if our 1st amendment is under threat here? No one is stopping this film from being made or release, nor stopping anyone from backing it. Simply asking someone to not support something is not a violation of your 1st amendment.

    You know if you were a Romney support and someone asked you to not be one because they believe it will have a negative impact on our troops, is your 1st amendment being violated? No of course not, so stop being so silly and acting like the nazis are marching down Pennsylvania Ave
    Again, it is not the role of the military to tell people how to exercise their freedom. It is the role of the military to make sure the freedom is secured.

    As for the top military brass calling a private citizen and, er, suggesting that he exercise his freedom in a different way, well, the Supreme Court has a term for it: "chilling effect."
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Almost anyone can ASK almost anyone else to do ALMOST anything... if it is legal.

    ASK is fine. I don't get too worried until we start getting to order coerce or threaten.
    If the general had done so as a private citizen, then there wouldn't be an issue.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Again, it is not the role of the military to tell people how to exercise their freedom. It is the role of the military to make sure the freedom is secured.

    As for the top military brass calling a private citizen and, er, suggesting that he exercise his freedom in a different way, well, the Supreme Court has a term for it: "chilling effect."
    The term I'd use is "extreme over reaction"

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    He should be standing up for the pastor's rights to free speech, not trying to restrict them to appease violent barbarians (those who attacked US embassies and killed individuals).
    As a general, yes, that's his job.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No ones rights violated here.
    It's not about a right being violated; it's about appropriateness. It was inappropriate.

    Let's put it another way -- if they were this upset about American women walking around with a lot of exposed skin, and demanding that the government do something about it, would it be the place of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ask women to cover up?

    Exactly the same principle at play here.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nothing that is the exercise of a constitutionally-guaranteed freedom here at home is the concern of the military. Nothing.

    It is not the military's place to tell private citizens how to exercise their rights in order to make the military's job easier.

    The military works for us, not the other way around, and seeing it any other way is scary.
    Nonsense. They do not have a right to curb the exercise of speech itself, but to claim that films that may instigate violence against US military and unarmed personnel in the region are of "no concern" to the military is brazen naivety.

    Surely you recognize such a request would be formulated due to safety concerns and the potential bloodshed that may ensue, not simply due to the military wanting an "easier" way out? Besides, since when has casualty avoidance not been an concern of the armed forces?

    Who said otherwise? (Although "working for "us" is a rather crude manner of phrasing.) Does this fact somehow prohibit the military from exercising their right to speech as well?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Nonsense. They do not have a right to curb the exercise of speech itself, but to claim that films that may instigate violence against US military and unarmed personnel in the region are of "no concern" to the military is brazen naivety.

    Surely you recognize such a request would be formulated due to safety concerns and the potential bloodshed that may ensue, not simply due to the military wanting an "easier" way out? Besides, since when has casualty avoidance not been an concern of the armed forces?
    This is just repeating what you said before.

    And does this fact somehow prohibit the military from exercising their right to speech as well?
    "The military" HAS no such right.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    "The military" HAS no such right.
    The sitting chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff surely does.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Nonsense. They do not have a right to curb the exercise of speech itself, but to claim that films that may instigate violence against US military and unarmed personnel in the region are of "no concern" to the military is brazen naivety.

    Surely you recognize such a request would be formulated due to safety concerns and the potential bloodshed that may ensue, not simply due to the military wanting an "easier" way out? Besides, since when has casualty avoidance not been an concern of the armed forces?

    Who said otherwise? (Although "working for "us" " is a rather crude manner of phrasing.") Does this fact somehow prohibit the military from exercising their right to speech as well?
    If a general calls a private citizen to tell him to moderate his behavior in a certain fashion then he is not doing it as a private citizen. Otherwise the term "general" would not appear. It is obviously being used to intimidate.

    Secondly, why should US Forces, the mightiest in the world, be made nervous by a bunch of Afghan misogynistic religious freaks?

    I doubt this would have created a fuss at all during WWII if people had criticized those who were attacking them.

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The sitting chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff surely does.
    As a citizen. But not in his capacity as such Chairman. That's what he acted in.
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