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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The job of the US Military is to engage and destroy the enemies of the US, nothing else. If saving some US Soldiers and Marines lives means telling a pastor to cut the ****, then so be it.
    It is NOT their business to tell a citizen what to do with their freedom of speech. Not in the slightest. The Marines are supposed to pledge their lives for the freedom of the asshole to do as he wishes, are they not?

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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is NOT their business to tell a citizen what to do with their freedom of speech. Not in the slightest. The Marines are supposed to pledge their lives for the freedom of the asshole to do as he wishes, are they not?
    Our lives are more valuable than some ass-douche endorsing some video.

    If you don't believe in freedom for the asshole, you don't believe in freedom.
    The General made a request, he isn't forcing this pastor to do anything. Huge difference.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Our lives are more valuable than some ass-douche endorsing some video.
    But not more valuable than his freedom.


    The General made a request, he isn't forcing this pastor to do anything. Huge difference.
    I was referring to you, actually. But I never said he forced anyone to do anything. I said it's totally inappropriate for him to have made the call. Despite your objections, it's none of his business.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    But not more valuable than his freedom.
    It absolutely is. human life>making a cheap endorsement.




    I was referring to you, actually. But I never said he forced anyone to do anything. I said it's totally inappropriate for him to have made the call. Despite your objections, it's none of his business.
    It's his business if it's going to get his troops killed. The pastor can wait.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It absolutely is. human life>making a cheap endorsement.
    I don't care what the content of the speech is. The freedom to speak it is more valuable. This is what every Marine vows to protect and lay down his life for, if necessary.


    It's his business if it's going to get his troops killed. The pastor can wait.
    No. What people do with the freedoms we have as Americans is never, ever the business of the military. We do not work for them. They work for us. They serve us. We do not serve them.

    If you disagree, you're wrong.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I don't care what the content of the speech is. The freedom to speak it is more valuable. This is what every Marine vows to protect and lay down his life for, if necessary.




    No. What people do with the freedoms we have as Americans is never, ever the business of the military. We do not work for them. They work for us. They serve us. We do not serve them.

    If you disagree, you're wrong.
    I'm sorry, but getting 15 minutes of fame to make a buck is not more important than human life. If you disagree, I pity you.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm sorry, but getting 15 minutes of fame to make a buck is not more important than human life. If you disagree, I pity you.
    See, the problem is, you're purposely refusing to take what I actually said, which is about the freedom, regardless of content, and making it about the content, which I specifically eschewed.

    If you're right, you shouldn't have to engage in such mendacity.

    No Marine is more important than the freedom of speech. Period.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    See, the problem is, you're purposely refusing to take what I actually said, which is about the freedom, regardless of content, and making it about the content, which I specifically eschewed.

    If you're right, you shouldn't have to engage in such mendacity.

    No Marine is more important than the freedom of speech. Period.
    I'm addressing the content of the OP. Pastor Jones is a con-man and an open bigot. His right to make a buck is nowhere near the level of importance of my Soldiers lives, and never will be. I couldn't give two ****s if he's endorsing Raisin Bran, if it puts Troops lives in danger, his money making scheme means jack ****. If you feel that we should be dying for some twats ability to scam money out of people, you don't understand Soldiers or Marines at all. Our job is to make sure you don't get your face blown off by a hostile military threat. A Commanding Officers job is to do all he can to prevent that from happening to his Troops.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm addressing the content of the OP. Pastor Jones is a con-man and an open bigot. His right to make a buck is nowhere near the level of importance of my Soldiers lives, and never will be. I couldn't give two ****s if he's endorsing Raisin Bran, if it puts Troops lives in danger, his money making scheme means jack ****. If you feel that we should be dying for some twats ability to scam money out of people, you don't understand Soldiers or Marines at all. Our job is to make sure you don't get your face blown off by a hostile military threat. A Commanding Officers job is to do all he can to prevent that from happening to his Troops.
    All you're doing is repeating yourself and getting hysterical in the process. If you can't address what I actually said on its own terms, then so be it. I won't worry about it and will let you carry on at your leisure.
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    Re: Top US military officer calls pastor over film

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The job of the US Military is to engage and destroy the enemies of the US, nothing else. If saving some US Soldiers and Marines lives means telling a pastor to cut the ****, then so be it.
    The job of the U.S. Military is to defend the Constitution. It's in the military oath:

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
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