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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

That was a function of available weaponry, not intent.

They didn't intend to bomb Dresden?

Oops.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I told you guys. It's from that journal which published the vaccine article. It was paid for by Soros, conducted by a Saddam henchman (he sold food-for-oil and blamed the infant starvation on sanctions in publications), took surveys on a few street corners and counted everything except old age. It was a few years ago, and thoroughly discredited soon after being published.
And Klown is an apologist for our enemies. Just recognize him/her and move on. I no longer bother responding to his propaganda.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Why wait? We could notify the entire Islamic world that Allah is a fraud. And we will no longer tolerate the fraudsters whipping up attacks against us.

Because we have been sending so many mixed signals, blaming ourselves for example, that we haven't been taken seriously by anyone.

I think this has to be incremental but strong and purposeful.

Cut off aid and warn them if another riot occurs or innocent westerners murdered, the leadership of that country where this occurred will be destroyed by a cluster bomb. And be sure to follow through.

Do this once or twice and the world will be a safer place.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Did we ignore the actual Nazi's and Fascists? No, and we don't demonize all Italians and Germans.
Have you read any world war two history?

We gave them hope and change where they lived.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, we engaged armed soldiers in battle. We did not target all Italians and all Germans.
True enough. We did not target all enemy non-combatants. But we did destroy cities that provided any assistance to the war effort.

This time it is different. This time we are fighting a political-religious enemy. So instead of cities we destroy mosques. We destroy the Islamofascist high command, the Clerics. And we put people on notice that attacking us anywhere in the world means that we respond with force.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Because we have been sending so many mixed signals, blaming ourselves for example, that we haven't been taken seriously by anyone.
I think this has to be incremental but strong and purposeful.
Cut off aid and warn them if another riot occurs or innocent westerners murdered, the leadership of that country where this occurred will be destroyed by a cluster bomb. And be sure to follow through.
Do this once or twice and the world will be a safer place.
Incrementalism does not win wars.
We have not been in a war with them but they have been in a war with us. It is time to behave as if the war is actually real.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

True enough. We did not target all enemy non-combatants. But we did destroy cities that provided any assistance to the war effort.

This time it is different. This time we are fighting a political-religious enemy. So instead of cities we destroy mosques. We destroy the Islamofascist high command, the Clerics. And we put people on notice that attacking us anywhere in the world means that we respond with force.

Someone mentioned Mecca as a target.

It would be a shame to destroy such an historic site but they have no compunction about destroying the religious symbols or buildings of others. It could be used as a threat if a few mosques are destroyed first.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Incrementalism does not win wars.
We have not been in a war with them but they have been in a war with us. It is time to behave as if the war is actually real.

I tend to agree but where to start?

I think a Hiroshima approach and then a Nagasaki, if necessary, should settle them down for a while.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Someone mentioned Mecca as a target.
It is an obvious center of gravity.

It would be a shame to destroy such an historic site but they have no compunction about destroying the religious symbols or buildings of others. It could be used as a threat if a few mosques are destroyed first.
I do agree. Except in the case of military necessity.

I propose drawing up a list of all Islamic holy places. Each time we are attacked select the next one on the list and utterly destroy it.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I tend to agree but where to start?

I think a Hiroshima approach and then a Nagasaki, if necessary, should settle them down for a while.
I do not believe we need nuclear weapons except to set back Iran.

I do believe we should destroy Mecca. I do believe we should get serious about winning our wars. I do believe we should not hesitate one bit to kill anyone who attacks us or who supports those who attack us.

Of course if we really wanted to harm them long term we would invite their best and brightest to come learn what liberals have learned at our universities. That would cripple them. Do not teach them anything useful. Just model our liberals education.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I do not believe we need nuclear weapons except to set back Iran.
I don't mean nuclear weapons, just the approach. That is to create such a devastating effect, a few shock and awes, that they will avoid any type of murderous behaviour in the future.

I do believe we should destroy Mecca. I do believe we should get serious about winning our wars. I do believe we should not hesitate one bit to kill anyone who attacks us or who supports those who attack us.

I think you need more than that. A few lost lives mean little to them.

Of course if we really wanted to harm them long term we would invite their best and brightest to come learn what liberals have learned at our universities. That would cripple them. Do not teach them anything useful. Just model our liberals education.


That was the plan before 9/11 and we saw the result of that, as well as 'Muslim Studies' and anti Western attitudes at University campuses springing up all over the US. I'd say don't let Muslims in at all. There are other areas of the world which are far more civilized and where their young people are in need of a first rate education.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I do not believe we need nuclear weapons except to set back Iran.

I do believe we should destroy Mecca. I do believe we should get serious about winning our wars. I do believe we should not hesitate one bit to kill anyone who attacks us or who supports those who attack us.

Of course if we really wanted to harm them long term we would invite their best and brightest to come learn what liberals have learned at our universities. That would cripple them. Do not teach them anything useful. Just model our liberals education.

Why would you destroy Mecca? Why not Vatican city or Jerusalem?

Oh .. I get it.. You didn't know..

266,000 young Saudis are cming to the US to study for advanced degrees in International law, Engineering, Medicine, Maritine Law, Economics and Finance.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Why would you destroy Mecca? Why not Vatican city or Jerusalem?

Oh .. I get it.. You didn't know..
Your question shows that you do not get it.

266,000 young Saudis are cming to the US to study for advanced degrees in International law, Engineering, Medicine, Maritine Law, Economics and Finance.
Those are useful things. I would insist that they only learn the things that liberals learn. So no more engineering. No more science. No more medicine. No more finance or economics or mathematics.

Let them take women's studies, black studies, multiculturalism...you know, the low quality worthless studies that lead no where.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Your question shows that you do not get it.


Those are useful things. I would insist that they only learn the things that liberals learn. So no more engineering. No more science. No more medicine. No more finance or economics or mathematics.

Let them take women's studies, black studies, multiculturalism...you know, the low quality worthless studies that lead no where.

They have women's studies, mathematics, Physics, Ceramic engineering, .. the list is endless. In recent years a number of prestigious American Universities have set up cooperative ventures and satellite programs in Saudi Arabia.

Why is that troubling.. KAUST has been researching Hy-solar since 1980 and they have whole villages off grid and self contained office parks. It just takes ingenuity, money and will.

I have always been happy when others do well and move forward.. but then envy is not one of my character flaws. I just don't get keeping the other guy down for me to be successful.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I have always been happy when others do well and move forward.. but then envy is not one of my character flaws. I just don't get keeping the other guy down for me to be successful.

Wow, it's like you are almost a saint or somethng.

Except it wouldn't be "saint", exactly, I guess. What do you people call it, anyway?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

And Klown is an apologist for our enemies. Just recognize him/her and move on. I no longer bother responding to his propaganda.

I think you'll find that Klown IS your enemy. Me too, come to that. I passionately wish to see you and your hateful ideology defeated, and by 'you', I mean you, Misterveritis and your political allies such as Grant, Bronson, MMC and your like, not necessarily the US of A, only until and if it behaves in the way you advocate.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I do not believe we need nuclear weapons except to set back Iran.

I do believe we should destroy Mecca. I do believe we should get serious about winning our wars. I do believe we should not hesitate one bit to kill anyone who attacks us or who supports those who attack us.

Of course if we really wanted to harm them long term we would invite their best and brightest to come learn what liberals have learned at our universities. That would cripple them. Do not teach them anything useful. Just model our liberals education.

What do you believe would be the result of the USA destroying Mecca?

Do you seriously see terrorism as a war between the USA and Islam? Really?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

....no. There are too many jihadi's out there with too many options for that. Though you might enjoy (it's a bit dated) Frantz Fannon's The Wretched of the Earth, on the topic of terrorism in Algeria. His explanation was similar, thought distinct from yours here - arguing that the terrorist relieved himself of an anger-driven inferiority complex through his actions; resolving cognitive dissonance. He's a filthy little turncoat sympathizer, Fannon is, but his work should be required reading (imo) for anyone who wants to study terrorism in general and Islamist ventures into it in particular. In addition you may want to try Dying to Win: the Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism by Robert Pape, which discusses suicide bombing from the realist perspective.

The short answer is that while suicide bombing is not directly tied to any one particular religion or inherently tied to religion, it can be. Sort of like how some people join the Army because they are patriots and some join the Army for the educational opportunities, and neither negates the presence of the other.



:) that's unfortunate, as it cuts you off from much that is best about humanity. Religion has driven us to do some of our best deeds.



that is correct.

I must say that was a very good response much better than the simplistic responses others have given me. I'm not sure I agree with you but I can't really come up with a good counter response so you win. Thanks for the book recommends I love reading books that make think about things from different points of view. Any chance those books are free ebooks anywhere?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I think you'll find that Klown IS your enemy. Me too, come to that. I passionately wish to see you and your hateful ideology defeated, and by 'you', I mean you, Misterveritis and your political allies such as Grant, Bronson, MMC and your like, not necessarily the US of A, only until and if it behaves in the way you advocate.

I'm not murdering and rioting but am commenting on those who do.

Would you prefer that people not respond to those who kill innocent people?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

What do you believe would be the result of the USA destroying Mecca?

Do you seriously see terrorism as a war between the USA and Islam? Really?

The real question is whether many islamic leaders are at war with the west. For the answer to that you'll have to visit some Islamic web sites or read their media.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The real question is whether many islamic leaders are at war with the west. For the answer to that you'll have to visit some Islamic web sites or read their media.

You wanna be careful on those type of sites, Grant. It can really poison your mind....

Paul
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You wanna be careful on those type of sites, Grant. It can really poison your mind....

Paul

It seems they are certainly designed to poison the minds of Muslims, and with devastating effect.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Have you read any world war two history?

We gave them hope and change where they lived.

Majored in history.
 
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