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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:
If embassies getting hit on Obama's watch reflects badly on him, how does the World Trade Center coming down on Bush's watch reflect on him?
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I don't know..... how does one Equate 5 Embassies with being under attack, 3 with flags taken down and burned and destroyed, Plus having a safehouse cover blown. 4 dead at one Embassy and people on the run and uncounted for? Plus any other Americans in the region at risk? Do you think it is more than 3000 people? What about 10k?
 
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MMC said:
What about for the lack of security? Do you blame the President for that. Considering the Libyan Embassy didnt even have bulletproof glass or any reinforced doors. At the very least both Clinton and Paneeta knew of this. Why would we put people into buildings and not strengthen their General Defenses?
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It wasn't an embassy.. it was the Consulate in Benghazi.. They rarely have security.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:
If embassies getting hit on Obama's watch reflects badly on him, how does the World Trade Center coming down on Bush's watch reflect on him?
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It was an act of war, just as the assault on the embassies are today. Couple of differences though, WTC was at the beginning of Bush's term, before he had much chance to put anything into place, these attacks are at the end of the failure Obama's term, more a signal of a failed foreign policy.

However, a more accurate analogy would be the Cole, and this. Both were at the end of Presidential terms, and could be argued that both had a signal of effecting the election. Also, if you look at it, after the Cole we responded like it was a criminal act, much like Obama is doing now, and we got the WTC attacks on 9/11/01. Now, if pattern follows I'd be looking for something big right here in America.
 
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Grant said:
The administration is still in shock and unsure how to respond. They'll get the teleprompter up and running in no time.
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Bwahahahahaha....classic!..hahahahaha..yes, they will, hopefyully not during the game tonight!!

Packers vs. Bears
 
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sharon said:
It wasn't an embassy.. it was the Consulate in Benghazi.. They rarely have security.
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It's still an act of war when you kill a Diplomat, yes?
 
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sharon said:
It wasn't an embassy.. it was the Consulate in Benghazi.. They rarely have security.
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Yeah, that seems wise....
 
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MMC said:
I don't know..... how does one Equate 5 Embassies with being under attack, 3 with flags taken down and burned and destroyed, Plus having a safehouse cover blown. 4 dead at one Embassy and people on the run and uncounted for? Plus any other Americans in the region at risk? Do you think it is more than 3000 people? What about 10k?
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5 embassies? Were there really that many?

Maybe the terrorists hate Democrats, too.

Or, maybe it really doesn't matter who is in the White House?
 
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sharon said:
It wasn't an embassy.. it was the Consulate in Benghazi.. They rarely have security.
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According to Bolton the former UN Ambassador the Consulates are suppose to have bulletproof glass and Reinforced doors. Again any reason why Clinton and Panetta would not spend that money for the safet of those workers?
 
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4Horsemen said:
It's still an act of war when you kill a Diplomat, yes?
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Yes, had the government been somehow complicit, that would have been an act of war. As it is, it is a criminal act and is being treated as such.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
No, obviously they hate Republicans, so they waited until one was in the White House.
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So you were inspired by Michael Moore who posted on his website after 9/11 that the terrorists had screwed up by attacking the more tolerant “blue” people of New York and Washington, D.C., rather than the less cosmopolitan “red” backwaters of Texas and any state in the South.

Always interesting to hear from a Michael Moore groupie.
 
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Grant said:
The administration is still in shock and unsure how to respond. They'll get the teleprompter up and running in no time.
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More likely they're taking a measured response, and weighing the options (remember we know what 'knee Jerk reactions get us into). What do YOU suggest start Bombing the whole region?

Paul
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:
5 embassies? Were there really that many?

Maybe the terrorists hate Democrats, too.

Or, maybe it really doesn't matter who is in the White House?
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Well 4 Embassies and a Consulate. Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Yemen, and Libya.

Hmmmm.....but then many had no problem putting the blame on Bush while on his watch.....huh? Goose, Gander, All that!
 
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gunner said:
More likely they're taking a measured response, and weighing the options (remember we know what 'knee Jerk reactions get us into). What do YOU suggest start Bombing the whole region?

Paul
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:roll: Yeah that's right, Nuke em all! Is that what you think, an all or nothing proposition?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:
Yes, had the government been somehow complicit, that would have been an act of war. As it is, it is a criminal act and is being treated as such.
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Even on the grounds of an American Consulate aka American soil? I thought all bets are off if you did something like that.
 
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gunner said:
More likely they're taking a measured response, and weighing the options (remember we know what 'knee Jerk reactions get us into). What do YOU suggest start Bombing the whole region?

Paul
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j-mac said:
:roll: Yeah that's right, Nuke em all! Is that what you think, an all or nothing proposition?
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I'd say it's glaringly obvious what I think.

Paul
 
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ecofarm said:
You cannot be comparing the two, as if context does not exist. What do you mean?
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If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.
 
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4Horsemen said:
Even on the grounds of an American Consulate aka American soil? I thought all bets are off if you did something like that.
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Depends on who "you" refers to.

If one of our urban gangs were to attack a foreign consulate, would that comprise an act of war by the USA?
 
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gunner said:
I'd say it's glaringly obvious what I think.

Paul
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Hmmmm....Yes....Maybe a commission to study the effects, and causes of why they attacked us, so Obama can formulate another apology to offer them...That ought to be good for about....er....um I don't know....NEVER!
 
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Dittohead not! said:
If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.
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I have already pointed out why that is a horrible analogy...Instead of ignoring it, you should address why you think it is.
 
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MMC said:
What about for the lack of security? Do you blame the President for that. Considering the Libyan Embassy didnt even have bulletproof glass or any reinforced doors. At the very least both Clinton and Paneeta knew of this. Why would we put people into buildings and not strengthen their General Defenses?
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It didn't have reinforced doors or bulletproof glass, which is a bad call, but the former Liaison Office became an Embassy in 2006 under the Bush Administration, which was composed of Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, not Clinton and Panetta.
 
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j-mac said:
I have already pointed out why that is a horrible analogy...Instead of ignoring it, you should address why you think it is.
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Both were attacks by terrorist groups not attached to any particular country. The difference is one of scale, not of kind.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Dittohead not! said:
If it is the president's fault when terrorists carry out an attack on the US, then it must have been Bush's fault when they attacked the WTC.

Or, perhaps it is just an attack, and not a failure of the administration.
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It's like the difference between taking precautions for going to a restaurant (no real expectations of violence) and taking precautions for, well, being a high-profile American in Libya on 9/11. Let's also consider the measures needed to take precautions. Bush would have needed to do the whole 'airlines security' deal. Obama needed to help a couple guys be ready for riots.

The context is vastly different, and the requirements to act are vastly different. You're comparing apples and oranges, with the only similarity being 'fruits' (in this case, terrorist attacks).
 
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Das Sozialist said:
It didn't have reinforced doors or bulletproof glass, which is a bad call, but the former Liaison Office became an Embassy in 2006 under the Bush Administration, which was composed of Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, not Clinton and Panetta.
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That may be true but Stevens was staying in a hotel when Obama Decided to become Tomahawk Barack remember? From that moment on with the Transitional govt back by the MB and their taking control of the Country. Clinton became responsible for any State Dept issues at that point in time.....Correct?
 
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ecofarm said:
It's like the difference between taking precautions for going to a restaurant (no real expectations of violence) and taking precautions for, well, being a high-profile American in Libya on 9/11. Let's also consider the measures needed to take precautions. Bush would have needed to do the whole 'airlines security' deal. Obama needed to help a couple guys be ready for riots.

The context is vastly different, and the requirements to act are vastly different. You're comparing apples and oranges, with the only similarity being 'fruits' (in this case, terrorist attacks).
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No expectations of violence? This wasn't the first attempt at the WTC.

You do have a point about the embassy, however. There should have been enough armed guards to have prevented a bunch of ragtag terrorists from launching an attack.
 
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MMC said:
That may be true but Stevens was staying in a hotel when Obama Decided to become Tomahawk Barack remember? From that moment on with the Transitional govt back by the MB and their taking control of the Country. Clinton became responsible for any State Dept issues at that point in time.....Correct?
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Yes, she did, but what are you trying to say?
 
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