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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

They would've been the first target. I believe you would have seen even more deaths if there were boots on the ground, the fundamentalists would've targeted them, as well.

It does seem odd, doesn't it? We shouldn't have relations until a country has stabilized itself.

20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?

Nope.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Anyhow, I wonder why our government wouldn't evacuate all the Americans? That would make sense to me, if they were aware there could probably be an attack. Better safe than sorry, right?

That's just it. They did not see it coming. Even after taking out the #2 Al Qaeda Libya guy a few months ago. After knowing Al Qaeda Libya still maintained a large presence in Libya. Even knowing it was the 9/11 anniversary. Even knowing that such as Egyptian media had fomented protests for that day for weeks (Libyan media not so much).

Obama, and his appeasement policy, says that it is OK to take naps.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

See? Now there's something I didn't think of, but then what do we care? Let them be China's problem and let them hate China. I've heard that we get most of our oil from South America anyway.

It is more than oil it is stability in the region. Nuclear capability and possible threats and the US being the fulcrum that attempts to provide balance and stability.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The Muslims should be grateful to America.

Look at how rich we've made them from oil sales.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I think it's funny how some people think that if we "backed off" then suddenly everyone will just roll over and play nice. I don't believe that for one minute. And he's a Brit, and the British and the French both played HUGE roles in the formation of Israel in the Middle East. I never hear them complain about that though. Just America. :roll:

Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.

I was more referring to people like Klown and others on the forums who seem to always want to blame America, when other countries also play roles, now and in the past.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?

Nope.

They could have 500 Islamic thugs attacking and the wide edge would still be with the 50 marines. And as their history shows these guys tend to attack women and those who are unarmed. Put them up against real men and they run like the jackals they are.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I was more referring to people like Klown and others on the forums who seem to always want to blame America, when other countries also play roles, now and in the past.

Then forget what I said. I thought you were talking about the ME in general. :lol:
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.

I've traveled a fair bit around the world and find Americans to be neither greedy (they give more to charity than any other country) wasteful (their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries) or ungodly (most Americans believe in God).

Many of those outside America believe what they see in the American produced movies, most of which paint the country in a negative light.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yes, we should pull all of our people out of those hostile countries, and cut off any kind of United States funding.

Well the USA has always given aid to dictatorships that oppress their people - some of the hatred originates from that action alone.

But the main reason is US foreign policy of bombimg civilian areas and causing deaths. This has happened in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and other areas

In the 1950s the US state department conducted a survey of the people of the middle east region and discovered that the reason the people where so antagonistic towards the USA was due to the direct US support of dictactors in the region that were oppressing them and killing them. They also say a corporate inteventionsim that funneled most of the energy wealth out of the nation and into the pockets if US corporations and foreign banks.

So the USA has known for many decades WHY there is so much hatred towards the USA in various regions of the world - and the reasons are pretty much identical and shouldnt surprise anyone.

The USA for example supported the dictator Mubarak right up until the last few days before him stepping down due to public unrest. So the USA was giving billions to Eqypt and Mubarak since the 1980s and also providing intelligence support and diplomatic protection.

Surely you havent accepted the spin that the USA is trying to propagate demicracy and freedom in the world?

Democracy and Freedom are lacking on the US mainland - why would you be able to emport these virtues anywhere else?

cheers
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I've traveled a fair bit around the world and find Americans to be neither greedy (they give more to charity than any other country) wasteful (their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries) or ungodly (most Americans believe in God).

Many of those outside America believe what they see in the American produced movies, most of which paint the country in a negative light.

I agree, but that is a common perception, and I can understand why we have gained that reputation.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Well the USA has always given aid to dictatorships that oppress their people - some of the hatred originates from that action alone.

But the main reason is US foreign policy of bombimg civilian areas and causing deaths. This has happened in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and other areas

In the 1950s the US state department conducted a survey of the people of the middle east region and discovered that the reason the people where so antagonistic towards the USA was due to the direct US support of dictactors in the region that were oppressing them and killing them. They also say a corporate inteventionsim that funneled most of the energy wealth out of the nation and into the pockets if US corporations and foreign banks.

So the USA has known for many decades WHY there is so much hatred towards the USA in various regions of the world - and the reasons are pretty much identical and shouldnt surprise anyone.

The USA for example supported the dictator Mubarak right up until the last few days before him stepping down due to public unrest. So the USA was giving billions to Eqypt and Mubarak since the 1980s and also providing intelligence support and diplomatic protection.

Surely you havent accepted the spin that the USA is trying to propagate demicracy and freedom in the world?

Democracy and Freedom are lacking on the US mainland - why would you be able to emport these virtues anywhere else?

cheers

If what you say is true, then why are we always trying to change countries into democracies? If what you say is true, that would surely work against us when the people are having open and free (hopefully) elections. Iraq for instance.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

And what about Egypt. Are we responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood being in power now? Did we set that up? I don't think so.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

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Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The Muslims should be grateful to America.

Look at how rich we've made them from oil sales.

Thats the point

The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people

Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.

Dont you know whats going on?

The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.

Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not


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Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Thats the point

The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people

Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.

Dont you know whats going on?

The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.

Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not
Hello? The US has to work with other countries even if we don't agree with them or their policies, unless we want to be isolationists or go to war. ALL countries who trade and try to work with one another do.
 
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Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

If what you say is true, then why are we always trying to change countries into democracies? If what you say is true, that would surely work against us when the people are having open and free (hopefully) elections. Iraq for instance.

The historical record shows that US foreign policy is not about spreading democracy - that is a media propaganda tool used to justify many things - including wars and economic sanctions

Why isnt the USA asking the most brutal dictatorship in the Middle East to have a democratic society? I am talking about Saudi Arabia?

And you make the assumption that the USA itself is a democracy when it is clearly not

The USA is techincally an Oligarchy - a corpocratic form of state protected fascism.

And this is the model the military industrial machine exports to the world -

And like Goerge Orwell warned, "black is white" "love is hate" "good is evil" "capitalist corportarism is democracy"
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Besides, why are we to blame? Because we give them money that these dictators are supposed to spend on their people but don't? And then they kill their own people, and that's our fault too? That doesn't even make sense to me.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Thats the point

The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people

Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.

Dont you know whats going on?

The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.

Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not
Hello? The US has to work with other countries even if we don't agree with them or their policies, unless we want to be isolationists or go to war. ALL countries who trade and try to work with one another do.

lol

almost fell off my chair
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The historical record shows that US foreign policy is not about spreading democracy - that is a media propaganda tool used to justify many things - including wars and economic sanctions

Why isnt the USA asking the most brutal dictatorship in the Middle East to have a democratic society? I am talking about Saudi Arabia?

And you make the assumption that the USA itself is a democracy when it is clearly not

The USA is techincally an Oligarchy - a corpocratic form of state protected fascism.

And this is the model the military industrial machine exports to the world -

And like Goerge Orwell warned, "black is white" "love is hate" "good is evil" "capitalist corportarism is democracy"

You don't make any sense. On the one hand, you say the US should NOT try to force democracy on another country or "our ways" and then in the same breath you ask why are we not demanding they have a democracy?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Thats the point

The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people

Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.

Dont you know whats going on?

The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.

Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not

lol

almost fell off my chair

ah-ah-ah . . . Stick to the topic and no insults, no matter how subtle.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Besides, why are we to blame? Because we give them money that these dictators are supposed to spend on their people but don't? And then they kill their own people, and that's our fault too? That doesn't even make sense to me.

US foreign aid is NOT a blank cheque so that noble leaders can buy food and build hospitals. The bulk of US foreign aid is in the form of military aid and contracts to US corporations for specific projects. Its called aid for propaganda purposes as well as because it is given away - but the strings attached are very thick ropes indeed

Why werent the Canadian or BUlgarian embassies targeted?

Have you seen the secuirty at the Swedish embassy?

Looks like there are people out there who have had enough of US global imperialism and corporatism

Remember, the USA has over 1000 military installations and bases in over 140 countries all over the world

It spend more on military than the rest of the world combined

Who is the threat here?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

US foreign aid is NOT a blank cheque so that noble leaders can buy food and build hospitals. The bulk of US foreign aid is in the form of military aid and contracts to US corporations for specific projects. Its called aid for propaganda purposes as well as because it is given away - but the strings attached are very thick ropes indeed

Why werent the Canadian or BUlgarian embassies targeted?

Have you seen the secuirty at the Swedish embassy?

Looks like there are people out there who have had enough of US global imperialism and corporatism

Remember, the USA has over 1000 military installations and bases in over 140 countries all over the world

It spend more on military than the rest of the world combined

Who is the threat here?

You are really exaggerating here about the US being a threat. We don't threaten any countries that are friendly. Just like in your neighborhood, there's always going to be jerks in the world too, and that is what these people who go around killing INNOCENT people are. I don't see how anyone could defend that, and I don't see how any sane, rational person could do that or even think about doing that to another human being (or human beings) who is INNOCENT.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It is an act of war. We should be loading and locking weapons at every embassy and consulate in the Middle East. Upon attack fire until the ammunition runs out. Then bomb them until none are left standing. After that send in the 18th Airborne Corps and the US Marines.

A real president would not tolerate an attack upon a US embassy or consulate. But we don't have one of those.

If you really believe what you wrote all I can say is Yikes!
 
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