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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It's good to see Muslims becoming involved in the debate.

WTF????

Sling innuendos often? Must not have any real debate or logic if innuendos are all you can sling
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Your analogy between Muslims and the animal world is noted.

Americans can also be provoked to violence.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You claimed it was relevant to the point of your word trumping his!

The regions where I served add nothing to my original point.

Paul
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Very true. Hypothetically, 'If we knowingly place a murderous racist thug in a cell with a defenseless Black inmate and the racist thug murders the Black cell mate. Are we culpable for placing him in that situation?
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Paul

If you know that by putting a racist thug in the same cell as a defenseless Black man will result in his death then yes, you are culpable.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, I do not. People are responsible for their own actions. Neither dressing sexy nor gay is a criminal offence in the event of an attack.

Ok let me see if I have this right

people are responsible for their own actions... yet they are then NOT responsible (or have any responsibility) for how they dress or carry themselves or where they go late at night when they get assaulted or raped?

I am not saying their rape or assault is ever right or justified but at the same time I am saying that the people who put themselves in such position or places to be assualted are partially responsible for what happens to them

you seem to think they have no personal responsibility but the bottom line is they got raped or assaulted didn't they?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

WTF????

Sling innuendos often? Must not have any real debate or logic if innuendos are all you can sling

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me!

I just haven't seen violence against women being the woman's fault anywhere outside of the religion of peace.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

no what you have is a poor reading comprehension

No, what I have is a PhD (nearly) and my reading comprehension is undeniably fine given that.

What you have is the equating of being raped with driving drunk.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, I meant actual physical actions, not speech (merely words).

I've been adressing your contention that people should be held legally liable for the provocation of murderous violence (not the prejudice part).

Well, what limits would you place on free speech? None at all. Would you be happy to have Fox and Friends suggesting ways and means of getting close to Obama and popping a cap in his ass?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Americans can also be provoked to violence.

Yeah, but normally it takes more than a movie. Like hijacked airplanes crashing into our buildings and killing 3000 of our citizens. We find that quite provocative.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The regions where I served add nothing to my original point.

Paul

You claimed that your word trumped his because you've "been there". When asked where, you claim that to be irrelevant?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

If you know that by putting a racist thug in the same cell as a defenseless Black man will result in his death then yes, you are culpable.

Then continue the logic. A prominent hate preacher in the US, upsets the prominent hate filled terrorists in the ME. The result? The killing of four innocent Americans. Nearly all actions have a reaction.

Paul
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The regions where I served add nothing to my original point.

Paul

Thanks for serving, Paul.

I'm just a keyboard warrior while you are an obvious man of action.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Well, what limits would you place on free speech?

The same limits imposed by US law (as opposed to European). And no, I don't care if some news commentators makes stupid comments. As per US hate speech legislation, it's not a crime.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, what I have is a PhD (nearly) and my reading comprehension is undeniably fine given that.


don't break your arm patting yourself on your back
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Then continue the logic. A prominent hate preacher in the US, upsets the prominent hate filled terrorists in the ME. The result? The killing of four innocent Americans. Nearly all actions have a reaction.

Paul

The logic stops there. The murderer is charged as well as the people who knowingly put the racist thug in the same cell.

Now, using your analogy, we have to charge Muslims for murdering the US Ambassador, as well as three other members of the Embassy staff.

Corporal punishment would seem to fit the crime, seeing as how this is an act of war we are discussing here.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I heard about this on the news. Too bad there are so many sicko psychos in the world. :(
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

No, what I have is a PhD (nearly) and my reading comprehension is undeniably fine given that.

How many times?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

The same limits imposed by US law (as opposed to European). And no, I don't care if some news commentators makes stupid comments. As per US hate speech legislation, it's not a crime.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't incitement to violence, defamation and fighting words crimes in the US? I believe they are. So, all you appear to be saying is, "I like the way we define and restrict the freedom of speech better than the way you do", even though no two countries in Europe have the same laws and even though I'm pretty certain you're not aware of the diversity of approaches to freedom of speech across Europe.

To paraphrase your argument therefore: "U.S.A.,U.S.A! America, f*ck yeah!"
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't incitement to violence, defamation and fighting words crimes in the US? I believe they are. So, all you appear to be saying is, "I like the way we define and restrict the freedom of speech better than the way you do", even though no two countries in Europe have the same laws and even though I'm pretty certain you're not aware of the diversity of approaches to freedom of speech across Europe.

To paraphrase your argument therefore: "U.S.A.,U.S.A! America, f*ck yeah!"

That's ignorant and incorrect. US hate speech law is different than Euro. You might not know the difference, and I'm not in the mood to explain it to you in this thread right now. Perhaps another time.

I'll note that I am not a nationalist, and there are many aspects of legislation that I feel European law is better.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

How many times?

How do you respond when someone claims that you have a reading comprehension problem?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Just be sure never to provoke them, Paul, and you'll be okay,.

Grant, remember, you're the 'keyboard warrior' I have actually been their on more than one occasion.

Paul

You claimed that your word trumped his because you've "been there". When asked where, you claim that to be irrelevant?

Eco, join the dots. It should not be to difficult for a man of your caliber.

Paul
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

don't break your arm patting yourself on your back

Don't hurt yourself claiming that others have "reading comprehension problems". Fact is, I'm FAR more educated than you and your comment was stupid.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Eco, join the dots. It should not be to difficult for a man of your caliber.

Paul

If you're going to claim a trump on someone because you've "been there", you should be willing to say where "there" is. I don't see the point of making such a claim and then refusing to be specific.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

If you're going to claim a trump on someone because you've "been there", you should be willing to say where "there" is. I don't see the point of making such a claim and then refusing to be specific.

We're supposed to connect dots instead.

He seems quite timid for a man who has "been their".
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Don't hurt yourself claiming that others have "reading comprehension problems". Fact is, I'm FAR more educated than you and your comment was stupid.

Pretentious, much.

If you're going to claim a trump on someone because you've "been there", you should be willing to say where "there" is. I don't see the point of making such a claim and then refusing to be specific.

My saying I have served here, there and everywhere adds what to this discussion? Remind yourself, Grant said "be careful not to put yourself in harms way" I merely highlighted the fact that, like many on this board, I have been in "harms way".

Paul
 
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