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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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Eighty Deuce said:
You miss the point.

You are not a Democrat, and you are not blaming the movie-maker, and mitigating the acts of the Islamists. < -------- my point.
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I am a democrat and I am doing neither.

The only two who have been doing that are one extremely dogmatic European who hates anything to do with America and a shameless Islamist shill with no stated affiliation to any party.
 
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apdst said:
If they hadn't already been acting like assholes, we wouldn't have to intervene.
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It's not our responsibility to make people act like not assholes. But the west in general has been in that area messing around for like 60 years now. If anything has fed into their propaganda, it has been our continual and nearly uninterrupted interventionism over the decades.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
It is a Left vs. Right problem. Obama is currently the greatest enemy to my freedom, and the freedom of my children, in all the world. Behind him comes Kagan and Sotomayor, and Napolitano and Holder.

The closest "Rightie" of any consequence is way down the list right now.
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You are all a threat to my freedom, and if you folk keep pushing government into mine and others business, you may find that it wasn't the terrorist you should have been fearing. But rather the freedom loving patriot.
 
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Ikari said:
Our decades of interventionism in the Middle East fuels their recruiting and brainwashing well more than the Democrats platform and some words.
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Perhaps the edited version will get through.

ecofarm said:
Claiming that Israel no longer has a capital is pretty fkd up, let alone it was done by one of our major parties and the holders of the white house (and that they will probably win it again, according to polls). I'm sure terrorists would use such a position (representing ~50% of the US) to their advantage in regard to recruiting and brainwashing.
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tech30528 said:
Wait, isn't the Democrat party bragging about Bin Laden being dead and GM is alive? Any chance that might have had something to do with it? Consider how that looks from the other side. Obama is running for reelection, Biden goes out and shouts "Bin Laden is dead" to cheers from the crowd, and we wonder why this happened?

I have some reactions to this, but I don't think we've seen the last of it. I'm expecting more attacks in the come days. As far as I'm concerned Biden and Obama are at least partially responsible for this.
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Most of these ****ers dont need a 'reason'...just an excuse. Obamas foreign policy is a joke. When it comes to leadership he is a worthless mutt. But when it comes to 'cause'? His and Bidens didnt cause this. They are accountable for their inaction...but not the attacks.
 
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ecofarm said:
Perhaps the edited version will get through.
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Perhaps indeed

Israel is not our problem.
 
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Ikari said:
Perhaps indeed

Israel is not our problem.
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They are our ally. And the DNC threw them under the bus. That's fkd up. Now the terrorists can claim that a majority of the US believes that Israel has no capital. You don't think that will encourage recruitment and assist brainwashing?

My hope is that the DNC didn't really do that.
 
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Gardener said:
No.

I may be a piece of ****, but I sure haven't murdered any hapless old poets who dissed me.
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Murder is murder.

"Thou Shalt Not Kill" is very clear. Unlike the Qu'ran, which introduced exceptions and excuses, the Bible is clear on this verse when it comes to Christianity. The fact that Jesus went to the cross willingly and surrendered his life rather than raise a fist to defend should leave no confusion. Abraham and Jesus passed the very black/white law. No amount of excuse or international law changes the fact of what the act is. The Bible is full of excuses and armies of God, but Abraham and Jesus are the tenets of Christianity just as they are the tenets of Islam. But at least Muhammad changed the law up to allow for it in his religion. He's not the hypocrit. One might even state that he was the earthly practical side of the Abrahamic perspective. Jesus spoke of the world as it should be and might be (the original "Gandhi"), whereas Muhammad spoke of the world as it is.
 
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ecofarm said:
They are our ally.
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Yeah, "threw them under the bus". Not really, but whatever. And it's not like they'd be the first or last "ally" we throw under the bus.
 
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Connery said:
This is a statement from Clinton regarding the attacks... This is more like it instead of an apology. I suspect that US will be "working" with Libyan investigative agencies to fins these people and do what it appropriate in this situation.



Remarks on the Deaths of American Personnel in Benghazi, Libya
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And a good scolding is just what they need, as well as billions of dollars in aid.
 
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Ikari said:
It's not our responsibility to make people act like not assholes. But the west in general has been in that area messing around for like 60 years now. If anything has fed into their propaganda, it has been our continual and nearly uninterrupted interventionism over the decades.
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It's our repsonsiblity when their clownage bleeds over onto us. The Muslims have been messing around outside the ME for centuries; centuries before the United States even existed; centuries before the Americas were even discovered.


Sometimes, it's almost as if history began 60 years ago.
 
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24107 said:
An Israeli filmmaker based in California who made a movie belittling Islam’s prophet Muhammad that has ignited Middle East riots and led to the death of the U.S. ambassador in Libya

U.S. ambassador killed; California man behind anti-Islam film hides - latimes.com
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The attack on the consulate was believed to be related to a trailer for Bacile’s two-hour film “Innocence of Muslims” that was posted on YouTube and enraged conservative Muslims for its claims, among other things, that Muhammad approved of child molestation, and its depiction of Muslims as terrorist thugs.
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They're kinda proving the point here though.
 
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Ikari said:
You are all a threat to my freedom, and if you folk keep pushing government into mine and others business, you may find that it wasn't the terrorist you should have been fearing. But rather the freedom loving patriot.
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And I am not a "freedom loving patriot" ?
 
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apdst said:
It's our repsonsiblity when their clownage bleeds over onto us. The Muslims have been messing around outside the ME for centuries; centuries before the United States even existed; centuries before the Americas were even discovered.


Sometimes, it's almost as if history began 60 years ago.
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Yes, Christians and Muslims fighting is a long and time honored tradition. But it doesn't mean we need to continue, or that we should escalate it or play into their propaganda. Actions do have consequence.
 
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VanceMack said:
Most of these ****ers dont need a 'reason'...just an excuse. Obamas foreign policy is a joke. When it comes to leadership he is a worthless mutt. But when it comes to 'cause'? His and Bidens didnt cause this. They are accountable for their inaction...but not the attacks.
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The protesters over there are not screaming the name of the film maker, they are screaming "Obama". I don't think that's a coincidence.
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, "threw them under the bus". Not really, but whatever. And it's not like they'd be the first or last "ally" we throw under the bus.
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So you don't have a problem with claiming that one of our strongest allies (and the only liberal western democracy in the mideast) no longer has a capital? You don't have a problem with throwing allies under the bus? That's what you want democrats to do?

Again, my only hope is that the DNC did not really do something so amazingly stupid.
 
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PeteEU said:
While I agree that those who did all this mess should be punished.... those that started the whole mess should also.... shouting fire in a packed theatre and then starting the fire is illegal.
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In the ongoing war on freedom from religion and war on free speech by ignorant murderous religious zealots on the command of their barbaric theocratic masters, you are among their strongest allies. Never pretend you support freedom of speech or freedom from religion on any topic and stick to your record now of wanting to criminal atheism and any religion but Islam.
 
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Ikari said:
Perhaps indeed

Israel is not our problem.
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Of course it is. Just as much as France, Germany, India, or Japan. If we can support former monsters like Germany or Japan, what the hell do you have against Israel?
 
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sharon said:
The YouTube video was translated into Arabic and released yesterday.

Why don't you watch the 13 minute trailer.. and then take a look at our sweet smiling Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Americans are dying for Israelis freedom of speech.

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You said it yourself, it was Israelies that made the movie so why did they attack an American embassy?

Don't you think there is more going on here than just a reaction to a movie especially when it happened on 09/11?
 
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ecofarm said:
So you don't have a problem with claiming that one of our strongest allies (and the only liberal western democracy in the mideast) no longer has a capital? You don't have a problem with throwing allies under the bus? That's what you want democrats to do?

Again, my only hope is that the DNC did not really do something so amazingly stupid.
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Why would I give a **** what the Democrats do? I don't support those big government, big brother, big war loving jerks.
 
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Ikari said:
Yes, Christians and Muslims fighting is a long and time honored tradition. But it doesn't mean we need to continue, or that we should escalate it or play into their propaganda. Actions do have consequence.
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I agree and if the Muslims would behave, it wouldn't happen.
 
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Grant said:
And a good scolding is just what they need, as well as billions of dollars in aid.
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Thankfully you are not in charge of anything but your keyboard.

Rather than go in there fueled by emotion and acting like the maniacs we are condemning, this needs to be investigated and disposed of the most effective and permanent way. Further, we should learn some lessons about preparedness as well.
 
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Ikari said:
Actions do have consequence.
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How can you claim that while brushing aside the DNC claiming that Israel has no capital, as if that will not have consequences.
 
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