• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:
Are you suggesting that this filmmaker be turned over to the Muslims so they can try his fate?

What would you have us do?
Click to expand...

No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

Bacile is saying that he plans to make this movie into a 200 hour series to expose Islam and help Israel.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
This Israeli Bacile didn't earn the right to Freedom of Speech.. and would not have freedom of speech in Israel..

Responsible adults do not lie, antagonize, provoke and insult without knowing that there are consequences.
Click to expand...


Responsible adults are mature enough to understand that differences are okay, and mature enough to be tolerant of those differences. Freedom of speech is likely the most important right we have. We didn't "earn" it, we already have it, and we had best be mindful to keep it, by not letting it get swept away by babies who can't handle reality.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

MSgt said:
Yet freedoms are curtailed all the time. It's the cost of living decently in a society. But our society has so twisted up its morality that its the irresponsible that are celebrated and the responsible who get offended and killed.

He deserves to face those he offended. He is welcome to go to Libya and protest Islam and face the rage he ignites. He is free to do that. Of course, he is also free to cower behind American borders and behind American embassies and an American military who will go ahead and die for his bull ****. That's what our freedom really teaches us. Irresponsibility and the celebration of it at other's expense.
Click to expand...

Exercising one's freedom does not mean it is legitimate to assault the person. We "curtail" freedoms when those freedoms come at the expense of another individual's freedom. But there is no freedom from offense, one may be offended on a daily basis. Offense does not excuse assault or violence.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Grant said:
How did you earn your right to freedom of speech?

if you are provoking me with your opinions would that give me the right to murder you, members of your family, or someone who shares the same nationality as you?
Click to expand...

I am an American and the men in my family have fought in every war since the Revolution.

And with those rights comes responsibility and accountability.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

lizzie said:
Responsible adults are mature enough to understand that differences are okay, and mature enough to be tolerant of those differences. Freedom of speech is likely the most important right we have. We didn't "earn" it, we already have it, and we had best be mindful to keep it, by not letting it get swept away by babies who can't handle reality.
Click to expand...

Then tell Bacile to either come out of hiding or go back to Israel.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
You are correct... the director is abusing freedoms he never earned, put Americans at risk and now is a coward in hiding who suddenly can't stand up for his "religious convictions".
Click to expand...

If this were Christians, who were outraged about a cusifix submerged in piss, the Islamopologists would be singing a different tune.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Eighty Deuce said:
Then let the radical Islamists make a movie condemning Israel. Or mocking Jesus Christ.

See the difference ?
Click to expand...


They did in Egypt.....it was a movie about the Jewish Religion and was a 10 part series. Which was one of their most popular. Wherein they depicted the Passover as Israelis drinking the blood of their enemies etc etc.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Tigger said:
Just another reason that our political policy should be.....

ISOLATIONISM
Click to expand...

Proposed U.S. Strategy for the MENA/Central Asia (not necessarily in this order):

  • Incite rebellion to overthrow existing dictatorships and regimes
  • Incite internal sectarian strife, leading to more civil war
  • Fan as much chaos as possible
  • Begin extensive oil/natural gas exploration in U.S.
  • Abandon the region (diplomatically and militarily)
  • Allow all sides to wage long, bloody campaigns against eachother
  • Watch the violence ensue on cable or satelite tv, Youtube, etc., or just go to Walmart
  • Once all sides are fatigued from many years of continuous conflict, encite more sectarian strife, leading to a renewal of hostilities
  • Start the cycle all over again
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

Bacile is saying that he plans to make this movie into a 200 hour series to expose Islam and help Israel.
Click to expand...

Does he not have the right to be in the United States?

What is wrong with 'exposing' islam? If you are fearful of islam then perhaps there is some needed exposure as to why you harbor those fears.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
And with those rights comes responsibility and accountability.
Click to expand...

She says anonymously, and with no responsibility accepted for those she insults by her constant shilling for anything pro-Islamist and anti-Jew.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
Then tell Bacile to either come out of hiding or go back to Israel.
Click to expand...

What he does is not my concern. Free speech and the ability to uphold it, is my concern. We are dealing with people who need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled hurt little children, every time someone says something negative about their religion.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
Have you seen the film.. Mohammed is portrayed as a pedophile, rapist, thief.. the worst .. It was designed to get the reaction that it got.

The director/producer blames embassy security.. He claims he is expressing his religious views and helping his country.. He has also gone into hiding.. So he is also a coward concerning his "beliefs".
Click to expand...

Mohammed was a pedophile, rapist and a thief.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

lizzie said:
What he does is not my concern. Free speech and the ability to uphold it, is my concern. We are dealing with people who need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled hurt little children, every time someone says something negative about their religion.
Click to expand...

That's fine and dandy as long as YOU risk nothing.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You want freedom? Fair enough but you put fellow american lives at risk and you can't negotiate with extremists.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

apdst said:
Mohammed was a pedophile, rapist and a thief.
Click to expand...

No he wasn't.. That's idiot stuff. I am surprised you don't know any better.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Ikari said:
Exercising one's freedom does not mean it is legitimate to assault the person. We "curtail" freedoms when those freedoms come at the expense of another individual's freedom. But there is no freedom from offense, one may be offended on a daily basis. Offense does not excuse assault or violence.
Click to expand...

You seem to be pulling in words that don't matter.

Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."
 
Last edited:
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

apdst said:
If this were Christians, who were outraged about a cusifix submerged in piss, the Islamopologists would be singing a different tune.
Click to expand...

Then Christians would have to attack the American embassy as well.

Or we could just get into what the thread is really about: Muslims aren't as good as other religions. Isn't that the point here?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
In 1987 Muslims picketed peacefully in front of the Piss Christ exhibit.

Bacile is planning another 200 hours of he movie..
Click to expand...

And?????
You think he should not be allowed to do so, for fear that it may be found offensive?

This isn't a "got-cha" game. If some peaceful Muslims protest an offensive exhibit centering around a religious figure not their own, then someone else should be barred from their own expression of thought? It doesn't work that way. We don't make deals with people in order to avoid being offended.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

MMC said:
They did in Egypt.....it was a movie about the Jewish Religion and was a 10 part series. Which was one of their most popular. Wherein they depicted the Passover as Israelis drinking the blood of their enemies etc etc.
Click to expand...

Quite correct. And the Jews responded through ridicule and by pointing out the ignorance of these people.

Islamists seem to have the western nations and many of its people living in fear, and one only need visit an airport to recognize that.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

sharon said:
No.. Just ask Bacile to return to Israel..

Bacile is saying that he plans to make this movie into a 200 hour series to expose Islam and help Israel.
Click to expand...

So, "freedom of speech" is "earned", not "God-given" ? And when here in the US, some have it, and some not ?

Before you know it, you will want our President to bow to the Muslims !

................ oh wait.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

lizzie said:
And?????
You think he should not be allowed to do so, for fear that it may be found offensive?

This isn't a "got-cha" game. If some peaceful Muslims protest an offensive exhibit centering around a religious figure not their own, then someone else should be barred from their own expression of thought? It doesn't work that way. We don't make deals with people in order to avoid being offended.
Click to expand...

I think the SOB should do it in Israel.. He is NOT a US citizen.

Filmmaker Sam Bacile in hiding after anti-Muslim film sparks violence in which American diplomat was killed | Fox News
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

MSgt said:
You seem to be confusing the words up.

Legitimacy has nothing to do with it. Neither does excuses. Neither does law for that matter. But responsibility is responsibility. If you teach your child that he may do anything he wants as long as he doesn't break a law, then you will raise an immoral, heathen prick that will one day invite reaction from others. In this case, the reaction killed others. That's on him and on his wreckless display of his freedoms. It's called taking responsibility for your actions. Like I stated, he is "free" to travel to Libya and face the crowd he safely offended. But he won't...not when there are others that have nothing to do with it than can die for his "freedoms."
Click to expand...

So it is now irresponsible to be critical of Muslims or Islam.

Any other areas where we should exercise extreme caution with our opinions lest we put innocent lives at risk?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Eighty Deuce said:
So, "freedom of speech" is "earned", not "God-given" ? And when here in the US, some have it, and some not ?

Before you know it, you will want our President to bow to the Muslims !

................ oh wait.
Click to expand...

LOLOL.. You think freedom of speech is God given... in which countries?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom