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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
    I was more referring to people like Klown and others on the forums who seem to always want to blame America, when other countries also play roles, now and in the past.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?

    Nope.
    They could have 500 Islamic thugs attacking and the wide edge would still be with the 50 marines. And as their history shows these guys tend to attack women and those who are unarmed. Put them up against real men and they run like the jackals they are.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I was more referring to people like Klown and others on the forums who seem to always want to blame America, when other countries also play roles, now and in the past.
    Then forget what I said. I thought you were talking about the ME in general.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
    I've traveled a fair bit around the world and find Americans to be neither greedy (they give more to charity than any other country) wasteful (their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries) or ungodly (most Americans believe in God).

    Many of those outside America believe what they see in the American produced movies, most of which paint the country in a negative light.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, we should pull all of our people out of those hostile countries, and cut off any kind of United States funding.
    Well the USA has always given aid to dictatorships that oppress their people - some of the hatred originates from that action alone.

    But the main reason is US foreign policy of bombimg civilian areas and causing deaths. This has happened in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and other areas

    In the 1950s the US state department conducted a survey of the people of the middle east region and discovered that the reason the people where so antagonistic towards the USA was due to the direct US support of dictactors in the region that were oppressing them and killing them. They also say a corporate inteventionsim that funneled most of the energy wealth out of the nation and into the pockets if US corporations and foreign banks.

    So the USA has known for many decades WHY there is so much hatred towards the USA in various regions of the world - and the reasons are pretty much identical and shouldnt surprise anyone.

    The USA for example supported the dictator Mubarak right up until the last few days before him stepping down due to public unrest. So the USA was giving billions to Eqypt and Mubarak since the 1980s and also providing intelligence support and diplomatic protection.

    Surely you havent accepted the spin that the USA is trying to propagate demicracy and freedom in the world?

    Democracy and Freedom are lacking on the US mainland - why would you be able to emport these virtues anywhere else?

    cheers

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I've traveled a fair bit around the world and find Americans to be neither greedy (they give more to charity than any other country) wasteful (their sense of the environment ranks as high as most other countries) or ungodly (most Americans believe in God).

    Many of those outside America believe what they see in the American produced movies, most of which paint the country in a negative light.
    I agree, but that is a common perception, and I can understand why we have gained that reputation.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Well the USA has always given aid to dictatorships that oppress their people - some of the hatred originates from that action alone.

    But the main reason is US foreign policy of bombimg civilian areas and causing deaths. This has happened in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and other areas

    In the 1950s the US state department conducted a survey of the people of the middle east region and discovered that the reason the people where so antagonistic towards the USA was due to the direct US support of dictactors in the region that were oppressing them and killing them. They also say a corporate inteventionsim that funneled most of the energy wealth out of the nation and into the pockets if US corporations and foreign banks.

    So the USA has known for many decades WHY there is so much hatred towards the USA in various regions of the world - and the reasons are pretty much identical and shouldnt surprise anyone.

    The USA for example supported the dictator Mubarak right up until the last few days before him stepping down due to public unrest. So the USA was giving billions to Eqypt and Mubarak since the 1980s and also providing intelligence support and diplomatic protection.

    Surely you havent accepted the spin that the USA is trying to propagate demicracy and freedom in the world?

    Democracy and Freedom are lacking on the US mainland - why would you be able to emport these virtues anywhere else?

    cheers
    If what you say is true, then why are we always trying to change countries into democracies? If what you say is true, that would surely work against us when the people are having open and free (hopefully) elections. Iraq for instance.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    And what about Egypt. Are we responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood being in power now? Did we set that up? I don't think so.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    The Muslims should be grateful to America.

    Look at how rich we've made them from oil sales.
    Thats the point

    The USA supports dictators and fascist military states in the region that oppress their people

    Us and western corporates then funnel the bulk fo the profits from oil sales away from the people of the region.

    Dont you know whats going on?

    The USA supported the dictactor Mubarak in Eqypt from the 1980s right up until he was forced to step down by his own people who had enough of his tyranny and killings and theft.

    Good mates - want to see pictures of Saddam and the Bushes? You can shove you head in the sand - but the people you oppress and kill will not


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