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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    See? Now there's something I didn't think of, but then what do we care? Let them be China's problem and let them hate China. I've heard that we get most of our oil from South America anyway.
    I can't see them ever attacking the Chinese or Russian Embassies. There's be dead Muslims stacked everywhere.

    And most US oil comes from your friendly neighbor to the north. That figure may change though since the US President denied the Keystone Pipeline.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, we should pull all of our people out of those hostile countries, and cut off any kind of United States funding.
    If a "hostile country" is one in which innocent people are targeted for violent attacks, then we have no place to go, not even home.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He's a Brit.

    Not a knock on Brits generally but this sort of lower class ignorance is not all that uncommon over there.
    I think it's funny how some people think that if we "backed off" then suddenly everyone will just roll over and play nice. I don't believe that for one minute. And he's a Brit, and the British and the French both played HUGE roles in the formation of Israel in the Middle East. I never hear them complain about that though. Just America.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If a "hostile country" is one in which innocent people are targeted for violent attacks, then we have no place to go, not even home.
    Oh, hyperbole alert.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I don't know how you can blame President Obama for what happened to Stevens, he couldn't have prevented it unless we had boots-on-the-ground beforehand.
    And you know this how ?

    Had Obama:

    1) Attended all his Intelligence briefings (he had missed over half, where Bush missed virtually none), would that have changed the tone, effort, and results ?

    2) Not kissed Muslim ass all over such that they saw him as a weak horse, would they have still tried ?

    3) Not thrown Israel under the bus, further emboldening the jihadists, would they have attempted this ?

    4) Not taken out Qaddaffi, who Europe and the US were at complete peace with, and replaced him with Al Qaeda Libya (who killed the Ambassador) and the Muslim Brotherhood, does this happen ?

    Now, if your argument is that the usual Obama would not have prevented this in the last few days, then I agree. But we did not get in this mess overnight. And Obama did build this mess !

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    They would've been the first target. I believe you would have seen even more deaths if there were boots on the ground, the fundamentalists would've targeted them, as well.

    It does seem odd, doesn't it? We shouldn't have relations until a country has stabilized itself.
    20 Al Qaeda goons against 50 Marines ?

    Nope.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyhow, I wonder why our government wouldn't evacuate all the Americans? That would make sense to me, if they were aware there could probably be an attack. Better safe than sorry, right?
    That's just it. They did not see it coming. Even after taking out the #2 Al Qaeda Libya guy a few months ago. After knowing Al Qaeda Libya still maintained a large presence in Libya. Even knowing it was the 9/11 anniversary. Even knowing that such as Egyptian media had fomented protests for that day for weeks (Libyan media not so much).

    Obama, and his appeasement policy, says that it is OK to take naps.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    See? Now there's something I didn't think of, but then what do we care? Let them be China's problem and let them hate China. I've heard that we get most of our oil from South America anyway.
    It is more than oil it is stability in the region. Nuclear capability and possible threats and the US being the fulcrum that attempts to provide balance and stability.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    The Muslims should be grateful to America.

    Look at how rich we've made them from oil sales.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it's funny how some people think that if we "backed off" then suddenly everyone will just roll over and play nice. I don't believe that for one minute. And he's a Brit, and the British and the French both played HUGE roles in the formation of Israel in the Middle East. I never hear them complain about that though. Just America.
    Because we are considered the center of commerce (capitalism), and thus the ones weilding the power (via money), and due to our propensity for decadence in lifestyle among many of our citizens , which is undoubtedly the case, we are considered the "Great Satan" by the fundies of the religion, and this is why we are the primary target. It's not really about concrete realities, but about opposing ideologies, and we are viewed (by many in the world, and deservedly so) as greedy, wasteful, and ungodly.
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