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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I'm confused, how is that the result of a verbal conflict?
    exactly

    how is it a result of anything?

    It may be worthwhile for you to Look in your own back yard before you moralise globally about the violent actions of others

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Arab Spring" = Code for Caliphate.
    You do realize the Caliphate has existed before and gotten along with United States during its existence? Many of the founding fathers have had pleasant relationships with the Sultan.

    ven if they were staunch Christians (or deists, whatever), plenty of the Founding Fathers had a healthy admiration for the Muslim faith. Thomas Jefferson, for example, taught himself Arabic using his own copy of the Quran and hosted the first White House Iftar during Ramadan.

    Jefferson believed in celebrating the deliciousness of all world religions.
    John Adams hailed the Islamic prophet Muhammad as one of the great "inquirers after truth." Benjamin Rush, who was so Christian he wanted a Bible in every school, also said he would rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammad "inculcated upon our youth" than see them grow deprived "of a system of religious principles." Benjamin Franklin once declared: "Even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service." Even George ****ing Washington personally welcomed Muslims to come work for him at Mount Vernon.
    So, why all this Founding Father/Muslim love? Probably because Sultan Mohammed ben Abdallah of Morocco was the first world figure to recognize the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain in 1777. Another reason was that the Founding Fathers were smart enough to distinguish between terrorists and everybody else on the whole damn planet, as demonstrated in the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797. It was in this agreement that the U.S. declared: "The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Mussulmen [Moslems]."


    Read more: 5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/article_18911...#ixzz26ItsDDkh
    That's right...it was Muslims who recognized the independence of United States.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's actually why I'm a fan of the Arab Spring. They want a religious war - let's give it to them before Sequestration takes full effect.
    Wow, lol, Muslim leadership does not equate to religious war. A Caliphate is not a utopia or a means for war for the Muslim world. In fact, most Muslims have an affinity toward it because of its social and economic aspects, considering the part of the Muslim world that lives under severe secular oppression for practicing their religion (praying, building mosques)and in poverty. People are thinking about healthcare, welfare, and...oh yeah... a leader who doesn't accumulate that land's resources for himself/family. It's much like the Christian philosopher, St. Augustine's description of "heavenly peace on Earth." It's not going to be heavenly perfection, but at the very least, no matter how corrupt a leader becomes, he does not deny some basic rights to people, ie banning worship.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    exactly

    how is it a result of anything?

    It may be worthwhile for you to Look in your own back yard before you moralise globally about the violent actions of others
    I'm still confused. I was responding to someone's comment that the film was offensive and that it contributed to the violent actions of the radical fundamentalists that attacked the embassy.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
    I call more bull**** on this bull****.

    It's galactically stupid to suggest that someone who makes a statement or movie or cartoon should be punished just because some people are easier to piss off than others. If one person wouldn't be punished because they made a disrespectful film about Jesus, another person shouldn't be punished for making the exact same film about Muhammad just because there are a lot more Muslims who are pansy-ass bitches who can't take someone "insulting" their dead magic man without resorting to violence than there are Christians in the same vein.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I'm still confused. I was responding to someone's comment that the film was offensive and that it contributed to the violent actions of the radical fundamentalists that attacked the embassy.
    Of course the attack on the embassy is wrong and wont acheive anything except perpetuate more violence

    But for someone in the USA to moralise and condemn this event, after ignoring or even supporting the imperialist US militarism all around the world that has resulted millions of deaths, is nothing short of delusional and hypocritical.

    And to use your terminology, is US foreign policy and militarism "radical fundamentalism"?

    Or perhaps you cant see the crimes that are carried out in your name?

    I suppose I would be confused as well in that scenario!

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    And what? Blow up a couple of empty tents in the desert?

    I find it very hard to believe that the so called Libyan Goverment could not find enough help to send to beat back a few terrorists in a 4 hour time span right in the middle of Benghazi. Considering the Libyan security force that was protecting them actually pointe the crowd to the hiding Ambassador I'd say the goverment knew what was up and looked the other way because they actually sympathize with the radicals.


    No..... a couple of Tomahawks does not send the type of message we need to send, a daisy cutter dropped in the part of Benghazi where these murderers reside certainly would get there attention.
    Well 300 hard corp fighters hardly consitutes a couple of empty tents. Also Obama has Sent in the Drones to Benghazi and 400 FAST Troopers.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One of his several wives was 7 years old!
    Yes but she (was it a she?) was very, very mature for her age.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cant have political isolationism without social isolationism.. or economic isolationism. Either you are a part of the world or you are not.
    False. Just look at Singapore. I know it's a city-state, but it's a shining example of free trade. Yet their military doesn't go around putting bases in other countries at the same time. Also: Switzerland.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    No question about that.

    Even Romney doesn't know when to shut up.
    But clearly he does know when to speak up. I am delighted that Romney defended American ideals while the one term Marxist headed off to another fund raiser.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Of course the attack on the embassy is wrong and wont acheive anything except perpetuate more violence

    But for someone in the USA to moralise and condemn this event, after ignoring or even supporting the imperialist US militarism all around the world that has resulted millions of deaths, is nothing short of delusional and hypocritical.

    And to use your terminology, is US foreign policy and militarism "radical fundamentalism"?

    Or perhaps you cant see the crimes that are carried out in your name?

    I suppose I would be confused as well in that scenario!
    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you about American Imperialism, but I am condemning their actions. The attack was barbaric.

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