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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Typical comment from you... if you even had a clue on what censorship was or freedom of speech then maybe we could have a good discussion.. but forget it.
    Freedom of speech means freedom of speech. If you have another interpretation let's hear it.


    The "Islamic" elephant in the crystal room, that is spooked by the small mouse put there by an American-Jew radical and his friends... and them knowing well what the reaction would be...
    Islamic behaviour is that predictable? What do you suggest be done with "American-Jew radicals"?


    Like it or not "Freedom of speech" is not freedom to say whatever you want when ever you want
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    Actually that's pretty much the definition of free speech.
    . shouting fire in a theatre is still illegal, as is slander. This situation is both.
    Shouting fire in a crowded theater is not illegal if there is a fire in a theater, crowded or otherwise. It's about time this cliche was put to rest, seeing as how it was first mentioned before electricity was invented. Slander is not covered under free speech and the punishment for slander is not death.

    No one is ignoring the problems..
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    You certainly seem to have difficulty in defining the problem, claiming it's the fault of an "American-Jew radical", while he never murdered anyone.

    in fact the problems are being exploited by bigots and radical Christians and Jews in an attempt to start a religious war with Muslims... just as our problems in the west are being exploited by radical Muslims to stir up a religious war with Christians and Jews.
    Muslims are not being attacked by Christians and Jews. Quite the reverse in fact. How many Christians and Jews have been attacking embassies relating to Islamic countries and murdering their diplomats?

    Again you seem to forget history... where self censorship was the norm.. in times when the right ruled with an iron fist world wide.
    And you want a return to those days?
    In the "good old days" you so love, women were burned at the stake for having opinions or talking out of turn......
    These "good old days" you mention are in fact going on today in Islamic countries. You seem fine with that.

    you know that they were burned at the stake by the order of the Christian church right? Or how about the mobs that lynched blacks in the south during the dark days.. often for crimes whites had committed but blamed on the blacks.. ahhh the good old days right?
    There is no need to go back in history for abuses against women or minorities. It's happening today. Do you understand what's going on in the Middle East or large parts of Asia and Africa? All this is happening now.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
    If they hold any responsibility, it is a moral one and not a legal one. I would sure feel guilty if something I said or wrote drove someone to commit violent acts against innocent people, but I certainly wouldn't expect to be prosecuted for the actions of others.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The Ambassador and staffers NEVER insulted Islam or the Prophet.... Americans should NOT be paying for Israeli actions.
    For the second time, I never said they did. Jesus christ, read the damned posts.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

    Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
    The ignorance here is beyond belief. You equate offensive language as being just as culpable as murder, just so long as the murderer was pissed off.

    So if some crazy bombed the DNC over the inclusion of "God" in the platform, then they had it coming to them !!

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

    Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
    You're talking about proximate cause, and it's clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater: Proximate cause. A provocative video, much less one that was released a year ago: No, not even if you classify the perpetrators of this heinous mass-murder as animals. Animals don't hold a grudge for a year -- only human beings with their human agendas are capable of such madness.

    The fact that you seriously want to attribute this well-timed atrocity (it was 9/11 after all) to that video says a great deal about you, and none of it is good. If you wonder why nobody on this side of the pond takes you seriously, bull**** like this is it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama just pissed off Israel (snubbing Netanyahu) and ONLY condemned the death of a US ambassador within days. His foreign policy abilities are on full display. Bush would have embraced Israel and had an aircraft carrier on its way.
    He didn't "snub" Bibi. The National Post states that "An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahuís aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month, and 'the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the presidentís schedule will not permit that.'" (Barack Obama rejects Benjamin Netanyahu meeting request after PM says U.S. has no ‘moral right’ to stop Israeli attack on Iran | World | News | National Post)

    Thus, it was a scheduling problem rather than a purposeful snub.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    If they hold any responsibility, it is a moral one and not a legal one. I would sure feel guilty if something I said or wrote drove someone to commit violent acts against innocent people, but I certainly wouldn't expect to be prosecuted for the actions of others.
    The next time someone shoots an abortion doctor, or bombs an abortion clinic, we will be looking for the leftwads to defend the attacker, at least on "moral" grounds.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    He didn't "snub" Bibi. The National Post states that "An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahu’s aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month, and 'the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president’s schedule will not permit that.'" (Barack Obama rejects Benjamin Netanyahu meeting request after PM says U.S. has no ‘moral right’ to stop Israeli attack on Iran | World | News | National Post)

    Thus, it was a scheduling problem rather than a purposeful snub.
    yet he did apparently have free room in his schedule for David Letterman....

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    He didn't "snub" Bibi. The National Post states that "An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahu’s aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month, and 'the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president’s schedule will not permit that.'" (Barack Obama rejects Benjamin Netanyahu meeting request after PM says U.S. has no ‘moral right’ to stop Israeli attack on Iran | World | News | National Post)

    Thus, it was a scheduling problem rather than a purposeful snub.
    That's called a snub. When David Letterman is more important that Netanyahu ... its a SNUB !

    Obama Announces Letterman Appearance on Day He Snubbed Netanyahu

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Is obama still taking credit for the Arab spring?

    The so called offensive movie was just the first excuse these radicaMuslimsms needed and it was just a matter of time until this happened. Many were warning obama that the radicals would take over in time and here we are.

    Interesting how all this is happening during the 9-11 anniversary and obama snubbing Israel.

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