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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I agree, we are amazing at war and trade. I was pointing to a specific time in history where the US was more interested in itself rather the rest of the world.
    I know. I"m saying that that idea is a myth.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It makes no difference what the film makers knew or expected would happen as a result of their "provocative" piece of trash. I saw the clip, it was the worst 13 minutes of my life. It's an amateurish piece of excrement of epic ****ty proportions. So they did it on purpose to piss off the fundies, so what? It still doesn't make them responsible for the complete over reaction that followed. The animals who dragged the corpse of an innocent man through the streets and murdered 3 others are the only ones responsible for their actions.
    I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    As far as #3... so, what you are saying is that he should be put on trial as an accomplice to murder, for voicing his religous views? gonna have to throw the B.S. flag on that one.
    This stuff.. pedophelia, incest, beastiality, etc are Bacile's "religious views"??? He should go back to Israel.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    As far as #3... so, what you are saying is that he should be put on trial as an accomplice to murder, for voicing his religous views? gonna have to throw the B.S. flag on that one.
    Religious views? At best it is POLITICAL views, but that does not excuse him one bit. A man saying "go kill X because he is communist" and someone actually does go kill X.. is complicit in X's death.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The people who were killed were NOT disrespecting anyone.. or anyone's religion and never would.. They are victims of Bacile and Morris Sadek.
    I didn't say they were. And I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you over that.

    Bacile and Sadek were idiots, but the ambassador and the others were victims of the rioters. The rioters killed them directly.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    America was very good at being policical isolationists without sacraficing our social or economic positions in the world pre WWII. Think we can do that again.

    Furthermore, we can participate on the world stage through the UN. We do not need to be their spear and shield anymore though.
    Nope, that isn't going to work. The US has to put forth effort to keep the lanes of commerce open among democratic nations or those will be lost. Oil is a prime example of that. If oil supplies are cut off it will wreck the US economy, and no amount of hand waving about alternative energy will help.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I didn't say they were. And I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you over that.

    Bacile and Sadek were idiots, but the ambassador and the others were victims of the rioters. The rioters killed them directly.
    The Ambassador and staffers NEVER insulted Islam or the Prophet.... Americans should NOT be paying for Israeli actions.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I agree on the film quality, but disagree on the makers not having a partial responsibility for the actions of these animals. A person who lets out a bunch of hungry lions is complicit when those lions kills people.. pure and simple.
    Hardly, the film was was meant to arouse anger , but, how that anger is expressed is the responsibility of the those who are offended. The "he made me do it" defense would never work for these rioters. No one can blame another for their actions, especially in this situation.

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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    I would like to remind people that the US-NATO alliance did back these rebels which had Islamic extremists (Anti-American Extremists Among Libyan Rebels U.S. Has Vowed To Protect) and Al Qaeda ties (Al Qaeda may already be among Libya's rebels - World Watch - CBS News) (Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph).

    This is not to say that this was a good thing or that it shouldn't be condemned. Personally, I say that this is a horrid, tragic event and condemn it in the strongest possible terms.
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    Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Cry me river. The film is made for one reason only.. provocation of the Islamic world.. it is made to spark protests and riots.. pure and simple. You can cry free speech all you want, but the persons involved in this movie are just as much to blame as the radical morons who carried out the violence in Egypt and Libya.

    Even in your own country, not being directly involved in a murder does not excuse you if you knew that the actions would result in deaths or violence.
    So what. It is the protests and riots over this film that are to be abhored and ridiculed and mocked and met with derision. I give no support to archaic, backwards, unreasonable and fanatic reaction of zealots like these. We do not under any circumstances let our freedom of speech be controlled by them.
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