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Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate Benghazi leaves 4 dead, inc. U.S. Ambassador[W:939]

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Although I do not like TR he did actually use the stick. It is not enough to carry it around. People must know you will hit them with it when they annoy you.

Really? I can do that? :2razz:
 
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Well, thanks for providing the cover up narrative that is now well known, here is what you missed either intentionally or not...

Perhaps you'd like to post the credentials of this, what is it?, Tayyar.org. My link was to the BBC who I suspect research and verify their stories a little more rigorously than some unknown propaganda arm of a Lebanese Christian political party, claiming to use AFP wires, which AFP denies, based a couple of thousand miles away from the action.

Why are we meant to give their word some credence?
 
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NATO is a Christian organization???

It's certainly a Western one. We're debating the clash of civilisations here, are we not? One side against the other. 'Their' side killed the Ambassador and a few consular officials, 'our' side killed 8 innocent Afghan women. I hope you're keeping score?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

It's certainly a Western one. We're debating the clash of civilisations here, are we not? One side against the other. 'Their' side killed the Ambassador and a few consular officials, 'our' side killed 8 innocent Afghan women. I hope you're keeping score?

A Western one doesn't make it a Christian one. Don't you know that?

What is your side?
 
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There are times when that stick must be shown forcefully.

Oh, and Joe Biden said Obama does have a big stick....Obviously he wasn't talking about foreign policy....

of course he does it fits the right wing sterotype of him.
 
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A Western one doesn't make it a Christian one. Don't you know that?
Obviously I know that. Nice semantic shuffle though.

What is your side?
I was using quote marks. Rest assured my side is not your side.
 
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Islam is a political-religious entity. I am not a Christian. Why do you believe it to be a holy war? I am simply insisting that they begin to display good behavior or suffer the consequences. And the consequences should begin today.

If the moderate Islamist exists perhaps they should join together to stop the radicals. Don't you agree?

Well yea just as the moderate Christians should join together to stop the radicals here in America. For example some Christian radicals in America produced a anti-islam film obviously to get their radical counterparts in Islam to go bat **** crazy. Since Al Queda seems to have capitalized in the film it was almost a aiding and abetting the enemy.


Attacking Mecca would only be viewed as an act of religious war, especially if it were done by a political party that considers itself a Christian movement to restore god to the nation.


Statements like "one nation under god" or "in god we trust" or "Christian nation" imply that America a political-religious entity. Your religion was never an issue here.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Obviously I know that. Nice semantic shuffle though.

Obviously you don't because this is what you said in response to the question.


So how many people did Christians kill using terror tactics last week?
Well, at least 8...

NATO air strike kills eight women



I was using quote marks. Rest assured my side is not your side.
Yes, that's just what I was suggesting.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You misunderstand. The intent was to destroy the ability to make war, not to decimate the civilian population. Had we had the weaponry we have now, we wouldn't have needed to take such drastic actions.



Incorrect. The intent was to destroy the industrial capability of the enemy.

British Objectives for Strategic Bombing campaign.

The purpose of the area bombardment of cities was laid out in a British Air Staff paper, dated 23 September 1941:
"The ultimate aim of an attack on a town area is to break the morale of the population which occupies it. To ensure this, we must achieve two things: first, we must make the town physically uninhabitable and, secondly, we must make the people conscious of constant personal danger. The immediate aim, is therefore, twofold, namely, to produce (i) destruction and (ii) fear of death."[


American Strategic Bombing Campiagn aim:
General LeMay, commander of XXI Bomber Command, instead switched to mass firebombing night attacks from altitudes of around 7,000 feet (2,100 m) on the major conurbations. "He looked up the size of the large Japanese cities in the World Almanac and picked his targets accordingly."[167] Priority targets were Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, and Kobe. Despite limited early success, particularly against Nagoya, LeMay was determined to use such bombing tactics against the vulnerable Japanese cities. Attacks on strategic targets also continued in lower-level daylight raids

The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless. Emperor Hirohito's viewing of the destroyed areas of Tokyo in March 1945, is said to have been the beginning of his personal involvement in the peace process, culminating in Japan's surrender five months later.[165]

No it was to hit the civilian population centers deliberately. Like I said it was to break the will of the Japanese and German people. There are plenty of War Dept. memos, and papers stating this. We actually did full scale mock ups of german towns to figure out the best way to burn em to the ground. When it comes to war a lot of americans seem to have this idea we are an honorable play by the rules dont hurt incocents intentionaly lot. We are far from that we are as ruthless and in some cases more ruthless than many other nations.

We switched to firebombs deliberately to start firestorms in the middle of populated areas. We werent after precision we were after devestaion.
 
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Generally its US citizens who take ownership of that cosmic claim.

Are you rationalising the slaughter of innocent civilians in nations that didnt attack the USA, on the basis of the number of maritine deaths of asylum seekers attempting to enter the USA?

At least those people made the conscious CHOICE to board a leaky boat and take the risk on the high seas to travel to the USA.

Again you need to explain what 1.4 million Iraqis and 350,000 Afagan civilians did you or the USA?

What did 4.2 million Vietnamese civilians do the USA?

Why does the USA require 1000+ military installations and bases in over 140 countries all over the world?

Why does the USA spend more on its military than all other nations combined?

Who is threatening US soveriegnty and its borders?

Do you even understand why these fascist US imperial tentacles are there in the first place?

They are not there for you!

You'd be speaking Japanese if it wasn't for us...

Yes I suppose after 9/11 which only resulted in about 3000 deaths, the USA attacked Afganastan and Iraq and corporatised their oil and resources into US interests and caused 1.4 milion Iraqi and 350,000 Afagan civilian deaths.

Blame Al Quada ;)

Perhaps seeing as a US embassy was bombed in Yemen that resulted in 4 deaths, the US military can attack North Korea, Iran or even invade Indonesia?

Those nations have nothing to do with the situation. Straw Man much?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Yes, that's just what I was suggesting.

I think we cleared that up at least 2 years ago.

Now tell me, after your last visit, how's Anders Breivik getting on in gaol?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Every time something happens they blame America... :roll:
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I think we cleared that up at least 2 years ago.

Now tell me, after your last visit, how's Anders Breivik getting on in gaol?

We covered what two years ago?

And as far as Breivik is concerned, whatever your interest in him might be, aren't you in Europe?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Since Al Queda seems to have capitalized in the film it was almost a aiding and abetting the enemy.


This is such Bull! You want to talk about 'aiding and abetting'? How about the $90 Billion that Obama gave the Hezi's upon coming into office? How about the snubbing of our ally Israel, while meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood leader at the WH? How about the fecklessness, the lack of leadership from this President in terms of the ME, so much so that AQ now feels it can attack, rape, kill our ambassador, and burn the consulate to the ground with impunity, and they can and do! How about letting Iran play him for a fool while they keep moving forward to devolop their Nuke, placing Israel in direct danger?

At every step this moron of a President has apologized, begged, and tried to make nice with our enemies while they laugh in his face, and the world will suffer for that.

Treason? you bet you ass it is. But not from the right side of the isle, no, the left has the monopoly on that little action.
 
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and these are radical Christians terrorizing people to become Christians or die? Why not just admit that you have nothing? Or better, why not just be quiet as you add nothing of value?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

Well yea just as the moderate Christians should join together to stop the radicals here in America. For example some Christian radicals in America produced a anti-islam film obviously to get their radical counterparts in Islam to go bat **** crazy. Since Al Queda seems to have capitalized in the film it was almost a aiding and abetting the enemy.

Attacking Mecca would only be viewed as an act of religious war, especially if it were done by a political party that considers itself a Christian movement to restore god to the nation.

Statements like "one nation under god" or "in god we trust" or "Christian nation" imply that America a political-religious entity. Your religion was never an issue here.
I always appreciate just how much people reveal about their inner beliefs. Are anti-Islamic films the only brakes you would like to see on expression? Or would you also prevent global warming deniers a voice? Are there any other voices you want to silence? Why do you hate liberty so much? What is it about freedom that frightens you?
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

This is such Bull! You want to talk about 'aiding and abetting'? How about the $90 Billion that Obama gave the Hezi's upon coming into office? How about the snubbing of our ally Israel, while meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood leader at the WH? How about the fecklessness, the lack of leadership from this President in terms of the ME, so much so that AQ now feels it can attack, rape, kill our ambassador, and burn the consulate to the ground with impunity, and they can and do! How about letting Iran play him for a fool while they keep moving forward to devolop their Nuke, placing Israel in direct danger?

At every step this moron of a President has apologized, begged, and tried to make nice with our enemies while they laugh in his face, and the world will suffer for that.

Treason? you bet you ass it is. But not from the right side of the isle, no, the left has the monopoly on that little action.

Oh Im sorry I do not want to get into the middle of a presidential campaign message thank you. Nor do I see how Obama has anything to do with what I said directly.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

I always appreciate just how much people reveal about their inner beliefs. Are anti-Islamic films the only brakes you would like to see on expression? Or would you also prevent global warming deniers a voice? Are there any other voices you want to silence? Why do you hate liberty so much? What is it about freedom that frightens you?

I never said anything about censoring anything. Please stop the strawman attack right there. What I implied though is that religious radicals purposely provoke other religious radicals. Its just the other religious radicals turn out to be the enemy that we are engaged in a war with. The premeditated activity orchestrated by American religious radicals gave prime opportunity to the enemy. The key word in my claim was the word almost. Since Al Queda seems to have capitalized on the film it was almost aiding and abetting the enemy. Which means in all appearance they gave a way for Al queda to do something to us. I did not claim that anyone did anything illegal.

Global warming, silence voices, hate liberty, the prospect freedom frighting me, had nothing to do with anything that I said. In fact I would say that your post was nothing but fallacious nonsense.
 
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In the age of Big Brother nothing is as it seems. And Big Brother has all his bases covered.

There is no other explanation for the betrayal against human rights and international law displayed by "liberal" talk hosts and news sites, who provide cover for Obama and the Democrats.

AntiwarsRaimondo is a govmnt front, supported the surge in Falluja, Iraq like Al Franken nd Juan Cole. We all know the US napalmed and committed war crimes there sealing the people off from aid, food and electricity. A civillian target some "liberals" said was ok to decimate. Much in the same way, Ed Schultz, a "liberal" (read: Democrat Party/ establishment hack) says he supports Obama scorched earth in Libya, (Quaddafi a terrorist, lather, rinse, repeat) Democracy Now parrots govmnt line on Syria, to hell with international law, scumbag Tom Hartman says vote for Obama (and the bloodbath) Amnesty is now a govmnt mouthpiece for corporate/military rape and pillage, kill the Assad Family even though assasinating a foreign head of state is a war crime. So now at info clearing house we true libs get disinfo just like CNN, Fox and NBC give the Left (and the truth) a knife in the back.

No more ****ty articles from Hitchens and Alex Cockburn, though - thank god. Be more discerning, we hate phony Left like AntiWar, just like we hate HuffPo sellouts, and TPM, Democrat astroturf sites, who sell us Bushs murder and imperialism via stealth, hidden behind a black face.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

In the age of Big Brother nothing is as it seems. And Big Brother has all his bases covered.

There is no other explanation for the betrayal against human rights and international law displayed by "liberal" talk hosts and news sites, who provide cover for Obama and the Democrats.

AntiwarsRaimondo is a govmnt front, supported the surge in Falluja, Iraq like Al Franken nd Juan Cole. We all know the US napalmed and committed war crimes there sealing the people off from aid, food and electricity. A civillian target some "liberals" said was ok to decimate. Much in the same way, Ed Schultz, a "liberal" (read: Democrat Party/ establishment hack) says he supports Obama scorched earth in Libya, (Quaddafi a terrorist, lather, rinse, repeat) Democracy Now parrots govmnt line on Syria, to hell with international law, scumbag Tom Hartman says vote for Obama (and the bloodbath) Amnesty is now a govmnt mouthpiece for corporate/military rape and pillage, kill the Assad Family even though assasinating a foreign head of state is a war crime. So now at info clearing house we true libs get disinfo just like CNN, Fox and NBC give the Left (and the truth) a knife in the back.

No more ****ty articles from Hitchens and Alex Cockburn, though - thank god. Be more discerning, we hate phony Left like AntiWar, just like we hate HuffPo sellouts, and TPM, Democrat astroturf sites, who sell us Bushs murder and imperialism via stealth, hidden behind a black face.

50 Libyan terrorists were arrested yesterday.. Libya will hang them

FBI were deployed to Libya on Saturday.

FBI deployed in Libya to hunt down the murderers of Ambassador Stevens - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com

Marines have been deployed to protect the Embassy in Sana'a , Yemen.
 
Re: Libya: Assault on U.S. consulate in Benghazi leaves 4 dead, including U.S. Ambass

You'd be speaking Japanese if it wasn't for us...



Blame Al Quada ;)



Those nations have nothing to do with the situation. Straw Man much?

And you would be speaking German if it wasnt for the Russians who defeated the main fascist Nazi threat in Europe

In fact, days before the US carried out its terrorist nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan had already surrended to the Soviet Union

This was good enough for the imperialist US juggernaught, the Japan had to surrender to the US unconditionally.

And to experiment with nuclear weapons the cowardly US military dropped nukes on civilian targets.

How Christian of you

How moral of you

How nice of you

Let us hear from some Americans who were involved in the Nuking of civilians:

ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY
(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.


DWIGHT EISENHOWER
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
 
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50 Libyan terrorists were arrested yesterday.. Libya will hang them

FBI were deployed to Libya on Saturday.

FBI deployed in Libya to hunt down the murderers of Ambassador Stevens - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com

Marines have been deployed to protect the Embassy in Sana'a , Yemen.

Interesting, in Lybia if people threated US or western interests they are labeled terrorists

when the same people were doing the same things against Gadafi, or in Iraq or cirrently in Syria, they receive funding and arms from the US and are called freedom fighters or part of a democratic movement
 
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